Auburn/Cam Newton situation (merged)

[PennVol]

Okay calm down people: Here's what I've picked up from local analysis.

NCAA eligibility and enforcement are separate functions. All that has happened is that because of Cecil's admittance RE: MSU, Auburn needed to have eligibility verifed. They worked with the NCAA, ruled him ineligible then asked for reinstatement. The eligibility review (not the enforcement) looked at the evidence and determined he was eligible at Auburn.

It does not mean Auburn is cleared, that he won't later be ruled ineligible if enforcement finds evidence that 1) Cecil asked Auburn for $ or 2) Auburn paid any $.

All it means is the NCAA doesn't see enough evidence to suggest Auburn or Cam had any role in the MSU situation.

Good to know, got a link?

 

[JohnWardForever]

This is getting close to equaling the outrage and insanity of when O.J. was declared innocent.

Ease up on the chemicals, my man.

 

[Vol Main]

Andre Smith sat out the '09 Sugar Bowl because a family member had contact with an agent without Smith's knowledge.

Can some tell me the difference between that situation and the one the NCAA just admitted re: Cam Newton?

mo' money

 

[valoisvol]

The chairman of the NCAA rules committee can be reached at dpoppe@ncaa.org

 

[volinbham]

Good to know, got a link?

Best I can do is point you to local sports radio WJOX. They've been pretty even handed on the issue and are trying to separate out what's happened from speculation.

You can listen online:

www.joxfm.com

Finebaum probably just started and while I can't stand him this is what he does best. He'll have the right guests on to suss this out.

 

[PennVol]

not taped. just some unnamed recruiter's word.

alleged but not confirmed - my guess is they don't have it at this point.

All it means is the NCAA doesn't see enough evidence to suggest Auburn or Cam had any role in the MSU situation.

It is time for that "source" to go public, b/c he is the link between what we now to know to be FACT in regards to PFP offer to MSU and the alleged same thing at Auburn.

 

[roberthunter]

Okay calm down people: Here's what I've picked up from local analysis.

NCAA eligibility and enforcement are separate functions. All that has happened is that because of Cecil's admittance RE: MSU, Auburn needed to have eligibility verifed. They worked with the NCAA, ruled him ineligible then asked for reinstatement. The eligibility review (not the enforcement) looked at the evidence and determined he was eligible at Auburn.

It does not mean Auburn is cleared, that he won't later be ruled ineligible if enforcement finds evidence that 1) Cecil asked Auburn for $ or 2) Auburn paid any $.

All it means is the NCAA doesn't see enough evidence to suggest Auburn or Cam had any role in the MSU situation.

A voice of reason.

That being said, the NCAA needs to change its rulebooks so there is no line b/w parents and the player, unless there is an extreme situation where an estranged parent just shows up and demands money.

 

[orangeaid]

I'm actually tuning Finebaum in....as painful as it is.

 

[PennVol]

Best I can do is point you to local sports radio WJOX. They've been pretty even handed on the issue and are trying to separate out what's happened from speculation.

You can listen online:

www.joxfm.com

Finebaum probably just started and while I can't stand him this is what he does best. He'll have the right guests on to suss this out.

Finebaum has been funny on this, he has gone back and forth.

 

[CountVolcula]

alleged but not confirmed - my guess is they don't have it at this point.

What about the SEC rules ?

"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career"

Since the NCAA ruled that Cecil did in fact ask for money, then how can the SEC office ignore their own rule?

 

[PennVol]

Ease up on the chemicals, my man.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills !!!!!!!

 

[volinbham]

What the NCAA will have to explain is how they made the ruling that eventhough Cecil asked for improper benefits at one school (known) this doesn't impact Cam's eligibility at another school.

An interesting point was made earlier that while Albert Means had peeps not only seeking but actually receiving improper benefits on his behalf he was still eligible to play at Memphis (just not eligible at UA or anywhere else he was shopped).

I'm betting the logic falls under the idea of where shopped more so than direct knowledge.

What that means likely is that at this point the NCAA doesn't see evidence that Cam was shopped to Auburn. However, that is likely part of an ongoing investigation that is yet incomplete. The eligibility came up because of the MSU stuff and needed to be resolved (my speculation).

 

[PennVol]

Wetzel on Finebaum says that the NCAA is now encouraging the solicitation by athletes. Thank you Auburn!

 

[volinbham]

Finebaum has been funny on this, he has gone back and forth.

I think his underlying tone is a good read on where things are. I hate the guy but it's the best source right now.

 

[volinbham]

What about the SEC rules ?

"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career"

Since the NCAA ruled that Cecil did in fact ask for money, then how can the SEC office ignore their own rule?

Looks like a different rule? - doesn't mention solicitation. It focuses on getting not asking.

 

[roberthunter]

What about the SEC rules ?

"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career"

Since the NCAA ruled that Cecil did in fact ask for money, then how can the SEC office ignore their own rule?

Devil's advocate:

"agrees to receive" means the family member agreed to an offer of improper benefits made by the institution. In this situation, Cecil was the one who made the offer and it was rejected. The act of making an offer is not the same as "agreeing to recieve" improper benefits.

In reality, I think this situation should fall under that rule, but I bet the SEC is interpreting it the way I described.

 

[FREE EARL]

Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. I felt from the beginning that nothing on Auburn and Newton's(Cam) end would come out.

 

[spudvol]

Doesn't the act of asking for special benefit imply that you will accept said benefit?

 

[PennVol]

What the NCAA will have to explain is how they made the ruling that eventhough Cecil asked for improper benefits at one school (known) this doesn't impact Cam's eligibility at another school.

An interesting point was made earlier that while Albert Means had peeps not only seeking but actually receiving improper benefits on his behalf he was still eligible to play at Memphis (just not eligible at UA or anywhere else he was shopped).

I'm betting the logic falls under the idea of where shopped more so than direct knowledge.

What that means likely is that at this point the NCAA doesn't see evidence that Cam was shopped to Auburn. However, that is likely part of an ongoing investigation that is yet incomplete. The eligibility came up because of the MSU stuff and needed to be resolved (my speculation).

The Albert Means story is a good precedence. Its all speculation now, but its just very difficult to believe at all that Cam had no knowledge of what his dad did, or that Auburn wasn't involved at all...especially with Auburn's sketchy history on these things.

 

[CountVolcula]

What the NCAA will have to explain is how they made the ruling that eventhough Cecil asked for improper benefits at one school (known) this doesn't impact Cam's eligibility at another school.

An interesting point was made earlier that while Albert Means had peeps not only seeking but actually receiving improper benefits on his behalf he was still eligible to play at Memphis (just not eligible at UA or anywhere else he was shopped).

I'm betting the logic falls under the idea of where shopped more so than direct knowledge.

What that means likely is that at this point the NCAA doesn't see evidence that Cam was shopped to Auburn. However, that is likely part of an ongoing investigation that is yet incomplete. The eligibility came up because of the MSU stuff and needed to be resolved (my speculation).

Means played outside the SEC, where the SEC rules didnt apply.

I'm not really concerned about the NCAA right now.

I'm more interested in seeing if the SEC office will apply their own rules. If not, then Slive needs to go.

 

[volinbham]

Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. I felt from the beginning that nothing on Auburn and Newton's end would come out.

I've been in the contrarian camp as well but I'm not ready to be in "I told you so" mode.

I do think this puts water on the "Plains Burning" manifesto on Tiger Talons though.

Way too soon to let Auburn off the hook here. Further, the initial stories have turned out to be true in the most part. (keeping in mind the original stories never mentioned Auburn).

It will be years before this is wrapped up.

 

[volinbham]

Means played outside the SEC, where the SEC rules didnt apply.

I'm not really concerned about the NCAA right now.

I'm more interested in seeing if the SEC office will apply their own rules. If not, then Slive needs to go.

I don't disagree but see above where the rule you cited may not have been violated.

 

[rockytop9808]

Means played outside the SEC, where the SEC rules didnt apply.

I'm not really concerned about the NCAA right now.

I'm more interested in seeing if the SEC office will apply their own rules. If not, then Slive needs to go.

I agree. Slive needs to follow his own rules here.

 

[PennVol]

If you can get in trouble for receiving but not asking, it opens way to many doors to players receiving benefits with plausible deniability.

 

[volinbham]

Doesn't the act of asking for special benefit imply that you will accept said benefit?

Probably but if asking isn't expressly prohibited I'd say the rule doesn't really cover it.

AFAIK - The NCAA does explicitly mention asking as a violation. That's the 'splainin' the NCAA has to do on this one.