Bad Beats, Monster laydowns...Poker discussion

#107
#107
emainvol said:
Heck the only thing that I would have done differently is bet the turn instead of checking. I guess you were attempting to trap?
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Yes. I'd been at the table in this tournament with him for awhile, so I knew he'd bet, thusly when I c/r all-in, he HAS to call because the odds are too juicy.

Remember, I didn't know he had AKo.

Basically, if I open push after the turn card, he could get away from his draw, 2nd pair, etc. But with the check raise with my stack size, he absolutely has to call my raise.
 
#110
#110
I never ever put someone on ONE specific hand. You have to create ranges of hands he could have.

He could have called preflop with almost any pocket pair except QQ, KK, AA, as he'd reraise. I put AK at a very low probability because most people reraise with AK this late in a tournament.

QJs, AQs, AJs, these are possibilities, too. He had something like 55 big blinds, so he could even call with a suited connector 76+. Really, I thought he had a midpocket pair, say 66-JJ. Thusly, he could have hit a set on the flop with 88, but I put that probability pretty low.

On the flop, I was confident I was ahead, and the turn made me 99.9% certain of it.
 
#111
#111
VolinArizona said:
I never ever put someone on ONE specific hand. You have to create ranges of hands he could have.

He could have called preflop with almost any pocket pair except QQ, KK, AA, as he'd reraise. I put AK at a very low probability because most people reraise with AK this late in a tournament.

QJs, AQs, AJs, these are possibilities, too. He had something like 55 big blinds, so he could even call with a suited connector 76+. Really, I thought he had a midpocket pair, say 66-JJ. Thusly, he could have hit a set on the flop with 88, but I put that probability pretty low.

On the flop, I was confident I was ahead, and the turn made me 99.9% certain of it.
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Yea one thing that gets under my skin is when I drive a great hand and someone calls me down to the river with a better hand and was scared to bet it.
 
#113
#113
I played a few hours of $1/$2 NL on Saturday. Third hand I ended up with quad tens and made a little. Up and down after that. Then had pocket Q's and flopped top set. Got all my chips in with one guy and he had pocket Kings. He hit his third king on the turn and took down the $250 pot.

But I started getting some cards and at the end had 6h7h. A very aggressive guy at the end raised to $15, a loose player on my right called and so I called.

I flopped a flush.

Guy to my right bet $30 and I raised to $75. Original raiser folded, but guy to my right called.

Turn was black. Guy to my right checked and I pushed all in. The guy showed me his hand. He had Broadway at that point and the jack of hearts. Really struggled but called me. River was another black card and I took down a $600 pot.

Ended up leaving shortly thereafter, up about $400.
 
#114
#114
VolinArizona said:
Any sane person would. However, when we put all our chips in, he was drawing to 3 outs.
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But he had top pair with top kicker. Nothing in the betting would set off alarms of him being behind in the hand. There were tons of drawing hands on the river that he was probably more scared about than thinking you had two pair. He probably never considered that he was worried about needing an out - probably hoping you didn't hit a straight or a flush on the river.
 
#115
#115
UT IE 95 said:
But he had top pair with top kicker. Nothing in the betting would set off alarms of him being behind in the hand. There were tons of drawing hands on the river that he was probably more scared about than thinking you had two pair. He probably never considered that he was worried about needing an out - probably hoping you didn't hit a straight or a flush on the river.
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Agreed. In his mind, he's probably wondering what you are doing getting married to a good, but not tremendous, starting hand.
 
#116
#116
You guys are missing the point of me posting the hand. He didn't play the hand badly. I was just pissed at getting 3 outed. It's partly a bad beat thread, ya know. :)
 
#118
#118
Made a few bucks this weekend playing $1/$2 no limit at a local track in Daytona. Played last night and this guy comes in, drunk as a skunk and with his girlfriend. Seemed to have an unlimited supply of cash.

We're playing and he's making some highly questionable plays, calling big bets ($25 and $30) on the river with bottom pair, things like that. But it appeared to just be loose play. I popped him for over a hundred on a hand where I turned a full house and he never showed.

So after an hour I have QsJs and flop is KsKh2s. I bet out $20 and this guy calls. Turn is Qd, I bet out $20 he calls. River is Jc, I bet $40 he calls.

So I've made Kings and Queens, with a Jack kicker. He turns over the 5 and the 9 of clubs. Literally had no hand, no draw, no nothing.

So at this point me and the other players were feeling a mite guilty. I got up and found the guy's girlfriend, who had wandered off, and told her to get him the heck out of there before he lost even more, he was so smashed.

I mean $40 when you can beat 8 high? It just got to the point where it was clear that he was not able to even see his own cards.
 
#119
#119
That was a very kind thing for you to do. You could have cleaned that guy out.
 
#121
#121
What's the saying - a fool and his money will be soon parted? You should've taken that fools money, and all of it.

On a related note - I dropped about almost a g in home cash game this weekend. This one guy was my complete nemesis. Freaking killed me - drawing out all night. It was one of those hot streaks or what some call "catching the cards".
 
#122
#122
I understand the principle -- its his money to lose as he sees fit and he's welcome to do so. But I wouldn't feel comfortable taking the money of an 8 year old, or someone in a coma, or someone otherwise clearly inacapacitated -- and that's what I was dealing with.
 
#123
#123
lawgator1 said:
I understand the principle -- its his money to lose as he sees fit and he's welcome to do so. But I wouldn't feel comfortable taking the money of an 8 year old, or someone in a coma, or someone otherwise clearly inacapacitated -- and that's what I was dealing with.
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An 8 year old or an accident victim don't have a choice as to their current state. I applaud your moral conviction but I have had drunks suck out on the river so many times that I no longer have a problem cleaning them out.
 
#124
#124
UT IE 95 said:
What's the saying - a fool and his money will be soon parted? You should've taken that fools money, and all of it.

On a related note - I dropped about almost a g in home cash game this weekend. This one guy was my complete nemesis. Freaking killed me - drawing out all night. It was one of those hot streaks or what some call "catching the cards".
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Those are the nights that make you want to give up the game.....until the next night.
 
#125
#125
holdemvol said:
Those are the nights that make you want to give up the game.....until the next night.
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I felt cursed. Everytime he sucked out I would just shake my head and re-buy thinking that wouldn't happen again. Then it did, again, and again.
 
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