Baltimore Unrest

[hog88]

Ob, where ya been man?

you and OC return same day. Hmmm, conspiracy theory activated.

Obs been busy supplying OC with his medicinal MJ.

 

[Obsessed]

Ob, where ya been man?

you and OC return same day. Hmmm, conspiracy theory activated.

Last month was rough. Real rough.

Short version:
A 3 year old little boy walked out in front of me and I was able to get stopped. There was 6 feet between him and my front bumper.
I thought I was ok. (Mentally). But I wasn't. I woke up twice with cold sweats and screaming in my sleep. I know it sounds like I'm a wimp and I may be, but I couldn't shake it.

A week later my wife finds out she's losing her job. The company is eliminating her position. So she's on the hunt. We are going to have to move. Very few company's around here pay well. She has submitted her resume to a large company in Chattanooga, I'm hoping this pans out, I'd love to get back on Tennessee soil.

Then they send her to California for the week. For (catch this) training. Lol

 

[Obsessed]

Obs been busy supplying OC with his medicinal MJ.

Your just mad because I cut you off.

 

[n_huffhines]

Last month was rough. Real rough.

Short version:
A 3 year old little boy walked out in front of me and I was able to get stopped. There was 6 feet between him and my front bumper.
I thought I was ok. (Mentally). But I wasn't. I woke up twice with cold sweats and screaming in my sleep. I know it sounds like I'm a wimp and I may be, but I couldn't shake it.

A week later my wife finds out she's losing her job. The company is eliminating her position. So she's on the hunt. We are going to have to move. Very few company's around here pay well. She has submitted her resume to a large company in Chattanooga, I'm hoping this pans out, I'd love to get back on Tennessee soil.

Then they send her to California for the week. For (catch this) training. Lol

Well at least it sounds like you have something to be excited about. :rock:

 

[FLVOL_79]

So this is what I want to know. WTF happened to conservatism?

Something tells me nobody will take on these points. Please respond to these points:



Why Isn't the Right Defending Gray?

The founding fathers couldnt have forseen the troubles of today which would require the police force(s) we have.

You know..how people try to say the second amendment is out dated..same kind of argument.


OR the short version: conservatives obey the law more

 

[n_huffhines]

The founding fathers couldnt have forseen the troubles of today which would require the police force(s) we have.

You know..how people try to say the second amendment is out dated..same kind of argument.

So you find this argument convincing when anti-gun people make it?

 

[Obsessed]

Well at least it sounds like you have something to be excited about. :rock:

I hope so huff.

I've never been to Chattanooga. But some googling netted me some good info.

 

[McDad]

Last month was rough. Real rough.

Short version:
A 3 year old little boy walked out in front of me and I was able to get stopped. There was 6 feet between him and my front bumper.
I thought I was ok. (Mentally). But I wasn't. I woke up twice with cold sweats and screaming in my sleep. I know it sounds like I'm a wimp and I may be, but I couldn't shake it.

A week later my wife finds out she's losing her job. The company is eliminating her position. So she's on the hunt. We are going to have to move. Very few company's around here pay well. She has submitted her resume to a large company in Chattanooga, I'm hoping this pans out, I'd love to get back on Tennessee soil.

Then they send her to California for the week. For (catch this) training. Lol

Don't sound like a wimp at all. Im thankful you pay attention and were able to save that kids life. Wow.

when will wifey know about her future job status?

 

[Obsessed]

Don't sound like a wimp at all. Im thankful you pay attention and were able to save that kids life. Wow.

when will wifey know about her future job status?

I hope she hears something this week on the Chattanooga opportunity.

 

[LouderVol]

So this is what I want to know. WTF happened to conservatism?

Something tells me nobody will take on these points. Please respond to these points:



Why Isn't the Right Defending Gray?

i am sorry, i missed where anyone was saying the cops shouldn't be charged. before any of the reports came out all we had was hearsay, and guess what we got guesswork from both sides. the cops will get their day in court for their actions, seems like we are upholding the constitution instead of the witch hunt, burn em burn em, speech we hear from the left.

 

[n_huffhines]

i am sorry, i missed where anyone was saying the cops shouldn't be charged. before any of the reports came out all we had was hearsay, and guess what we got guesswork from both sides. the cops will get their day in court for their actions, seems like we are upholding the constitution instead of the witch hunt, burn em burn em, speech we hear from the left.

What does this have to do with anything the article or I said?

Remember the part where I predicted you wouldn't take on points I made? epper:

 

[LouderVol]

What does this have to do with anything the article or I said?

Remember the part where I predicted you wouldn't take on points I made? epper:

you made or the article made?

and i did address that: illegal arrest: cops are facing charges

unrestrained in the back of the van: cops are facing charges

him being bad or good doesn't seem to matter in this case he died on their watch they are responsible and facing charges for it.

please explain how this (pressing charges) is burning the Constitution? i addressed your points in that quote with a statement which covered them all: the cops are facing charges.

 

[gcbvol]

Last month was rough. Real rough.

Short version:
A 3 year old little boy walked out in front of me and I was able to get stopped. There was 6 feet between him and my front bumper.
I thought I was ok. (Mentally). But I wasn't. I woke up twice with cold sweats and screaming in my sleep. I know it sounds like I'm a wimp and I may be, but I couldn't shake it.

A week later my wife finds out she's losing her job. The company is eliminating her position. So she's on the hunt. We are going to have to move. Very few company's around here pay well. She has submitted her resume to a large company in Chattanooga, I'm hoping this pans out, I'd love to get back on Tennessee soil.

Then they send her to California for the week. For (catch this) training. Lol

Hate to hear this, Obs. I don't think you're wimpy at all. A close call like that is going to leave an impression, and thank goodness you were able to react and save that child.

I also understand the stress that comes from a spouse losing their job. I really hope the opportunity in Chattanooga works out. From what I understand it is a fantastic place to live.

 

[n_huffhines]

you made or the article made?

and i did address that: illegal arrest: cops are facing charges

unrestrained in the back of the van: cops are facing charges

him being bad or good doesn't seem to matter in this case he died on their watch they are responsible and facing charges for it.

please explain how this (pressing charges) is burning the Constitution? i addressed your points in that quote with a statement which covered them all: the cops are facing charges.

What are you talking about? You're trying really hard to derail. I didn't say anything about "burning the constitution". I didn't say anything about the cops being charged or not being charged. It's all about how conservative America reacted to what happened with Gray. You don't have to lynch LEOs in order to be in tune with the support of small government, individuals, and ultimately conservatism.

A lot (most?) conservatives looked for every opportunity to paint Gray as a deserving villain. They tried so hard to defend big, oppressive government. OK, you want the police to be charged now, but that's not what I'm talking about. Whether or not it was a total accident and no officers deserve criminal charges, this is still a blow against conservative values. Americans should not die at the hands of government, for no good reason.

 

[Obsessed]

Hate to hear this, Obs. I don't think you're wimpy at all. A close call like that is going to leave an impression, and thank goodness you were able to react and save that child.

I also understand the stress that comes from a spouse losing their job. I really hope the opportunity in Chattanooga works out. From what I understand it is a fantastic place to live.

Thank you Gcbvol.

It happened so fast. I was already pulling the truck toward a lake to keep from hitting him. Luckily the truck stopped.

This job thing has her upset. She's been there since they opened the doors in here. She feels betrayed and wasn't expecting to be looking for s new job at this point in her life.

At least she got a trip to Laguna Niguel this week out of it. She got to see my dad and stepmom. She's never been that far out west.

 

[LouderVol]

What are you talking about? You're trying really hard to derail. I didn't say anything about "burning the constitution". I didn't say anything about the cops being charged or not being charged. It's all about how conservative America reacted to what happened with Gray. You don't have to lynch LEOs in order to be in tune with the support of small government, individuals, and ultimately conservatism.

A lot (most?) conservatives looked for every opportunity to paint Gray as a deserving villain. They tried so hard to defend big, oppressive government. OK, you want the police to be charged now, but that's not what I'm talking about. Whether or not it was a total accident and no officers deserve criminal charges, this is still a blow against conservative values. Americans should not die at the hands of government, for no good reason.

everything in that article was about Gray, nothing to do with what is going on as a culture. how can it be a blow against conservative values if we are using those values to rectify (not the correct word but i can't find a better one("deal with" maybe)) the situation. do you want us to go back in time to stop this situation? would that be enough defending for you? the reason we are "attacking him" (telling the truth isn't popular for you progressives) is because of the rioting. The rioters are using him as justification, bad selection to use as the catalyst. We are merely separating the two events. Attacking the riots while "allowing" the trials to go on, you know per the constitution we don't care about.

 

[hog88]

Your just mad because I cut you off.

I know what you northwest Arky boys do in your spare time.



Sorry to hear about you wife and near miss.

 

[hog88]

The founding fathers couldnt have forseen the troubles of today which would require the police force(s) we have.

You know..how people try to say the second amendment is out dated..same kind of argument.


OR the short version: conservatives obey the law more

I wouldn't go that far.

Conservatives just don't get caught as much, smarter about it.

 

[n_huffhines]

everything in that article was about Gray, nothing to do with what is going on as a culture. how can it be a blow against conservative values if we are using those values to rectify (not the correct word but i can't find a better one("deal with" maybe)) the situation. do you want us to go back in time to stop this situation? would that be enough defending for you? the reason we are "attacking him" (telling the truth isn't popular for you progressives) is because of the rioting. The rioters are using him as justification, bad selection to use as the catalyst. We are merely separating the two events. Attacking the riots while "allowing" the trials to go on, you know per the constitution we don't care about.

You will never talk about what I am talking about, so see ya.

If you just want to say a bunch of random stuff, don't quote me and pretend like you are responding to me.

Also, I am not a progressive. I am more of a true conservative than most people here. Keeping it simple, I'm libertarian (which Ronald Reagan said is conservatism).

 

[FLVOL_79]

So you find this argument convincing when anti-gun people make it?

Not a gun guy so I don't really care. Do we need a well regulated militia? Nope.

 

[n_huffhines]

Not a gun guy so I don't really care. Do we need a well regulated militia? Nope.

Interesting, well it's not an argument I've ever heard a conservative make. Quite the opposite. They think the founders' protections for individuals should be heeded specifically because they couldn't foresee all the innovative ways government could come up with to oppress us.

 

[LouderVol]

You will never talk about what I am talking about, so see ya.

If you just want to say a bunch of random stuff, don't quote me and pretend like you are responding to me.

Also, I am not a progressive. I am more of a true conservative than most people here. Keeping it simple, I'm libertarian (which Ronald Reagan said is conservatism).

well since i am missing your point, would you care to explain what it is you were saying?

 

[n_huffhines]

well since i am missing your point, would you care to explain what it is you were saying?

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A lot (most?) conservatives looked for every opportunity to paint Gray as a deserving villain. They tried so hard to defend big, oppressive government. OK, you want the police to be charged now, but that's not what I'm talking about. Whether or not it was a total accident and no officers deserve criminal charges, this is still a blow against conservative values. Americans should not die at the hands of government, for no good reason.

 

[LouderVol]

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not sure how anything i said was off topic. I agree no Americans should die at the hands of government, without reason.

where have we defended the big oppressive government? seems like we are attacking the policy makers and those in charge. but no we haven't come out and attacked our war on drugs, and sorry we don't want to use gray as the rallying cry to bring it down.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Interesting, well it's not an argument I've ever heard a conservative make. Quite the opposite. They think the founders' protections for individuals should be heeded specifically because they couldn't foresee all the innovative ways government could come up with to oppress us.

I think the Monarchy oppression of the 1700's and before were way, way worse than any oppression we have here in the USA.

Feudal Europe oppression can't compare to what some perceive as oppression today. Some aspects of it are alive and well mostly in Muslim countries and communist countries; killed because of religion, political dissension, jailed for religion/political dissension, etc.

As far as Gray goes I believe most right wing folks are less quick to come to the defense of someone with a lengthy criminal background. I for one wouldn't. We also still don't really know what happened.

None of these people were innocent either. When cops kill someone totally innocent, thats what bothers me. I don't see that often. Last year in Orlando cops opened fired on a guy outside a club, missed him, but killed a girl who was in a club. Nothing happened to the cops. They actually pinned the murder on the guy they didn't shoot. Thats disturbing to me..but you'll never hear about it on the news because the cops were hispanic and killed a hispanic. No real race angle for the media to run with on that one.