Bashing needs to stop

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#251
volswillrise12 said:
You keep telling yourself that buddy if it makes you feel better. I don't think Dooley or his staff would have found a way to win the South Carolina game.
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You are really missing the point. DD's staff started out BETTER than this staff... and failed miserably. Yet there are those here who get downright indignant at any criticism of the current staff.
I know you are a huge critic of the coaching staff and CBJ--
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I am a critic of their performance. I want nothing more than to believe they are the answer and somewhere hidden behind blow out losses and an embarrassment against Vandy is a ray of sunshine... I simply don't see it.

and just the for the record I have no problem with criticizing the head coach but I'm waiting for you to come up with the answer that will "fix" this program.
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Well, if Jones doesn't do a 180 in the next two seasons the solution will be to try someone else. Or, maybe in two years Jones purges his staff and brings in better asst's. The best answer is the same answer I gave for Fulmer and Dooley... which is that Jones pull his act together and become a championship level coach.

You are excellent at flaming and taking apart peoples arguments piece by piece
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Very few make it difficult at all...
but you are nothing but a Negavol.
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If by that you mean that I expect a guy who talks about players developing championship habits and playing at a championship level to coach at a championship level and demand the same of his assistants... then call me whatever you like.

I am VERY positive I want to see the Vols win and VERY positive that coaching like what we've seen this season won't accomplish that.
 
#252
#252
GrowVol said:
I think cbj was worried about wind, seems like i recall him saying that. It was bad execution anyway.
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I did see him mention that. Where was the ball? 25 yard line or so.

I can't imagine the percentage being lower on a kick that what we tried but hindsight is 20 20 there.
 
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BeecherVol said:
To be honest a fake never entered my mind after the 3rd down play and what was left to gain. I then thought Palardy was hurt but Jones didn't mention it in the remarks about why he did it.
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which is why it would've been a great call had the Vandy db not followed the holder down the sideline.
I guess I'm one of the few that has zero problem with the fake. Maybe have another receiver deep left as well, but no problem with it. We couldn't kick a fg. Can't punt from the 30. 4th and 19 is basically throwing it up for Josh Smith to go grab. He tried to catch them offguard and the kid just did his job and covered it.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Between the two, Jones and I'd still have plenty of reservations about what I had with him.

Jones won the PR battle up front where Dooley didnt. Jones has lit a fire under recruiting where Dooley really didnt. Jones all around is a more likable figure IMO.

Jones is gonna have to make some staff changes if he expects to get to the top of the east. I don't see it with the staff he has now. If he drags that out too long it won't end well for either side.

I hope he's the guy, I like the way he does things. But I still have reservations about his ceiling here.
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Agree with all of this. I have a little more doubt about how much is him and how much is asst's though.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
which is why it would've been a great call had the Vandy db not followed the holder down the sideline.
I guess I'm one of the few that has zero problem with the fake. Maybe have another receiver deep left as well, but no problem with it. We couldn't kick a fg. Can't punt from the 30. 4th and 19 is basically throwing it up for Josh Smith to go grab. He tried to catch them offguard and the kid just did his job and covered it.
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Did the ball even make it 19 yards? I just remembered it floating thru the air and not really even being close.

I don't mind aggressive especially when 3 is not money given the conditions.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Did the ball even make it 19 yards? I just remembered it floating thru the air and not really even being close.

I don't mind aggressive especially when 3 is not money given the conditions.
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kicker, back foot, pressure, cold ball, offbalance...definitely a floater. The hope is the guy is running by himself and a floater has all day to float. I think somebody for Vandy got some unexpected pressure too. Seems like he, shockingly, just ran through the line.
 
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sjt18 said:
Lord... I hope not. Because what I've seen in these 11 games suggests that UT hired a coaching staff that has absolutely no business coaching in the SEC.
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Your expectations of what Jones was supposed to accomplish this year proves that either you haven't kept up with UT football for the last 5 years or you just don't know very much about football period.
 
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sjt18 said:
Agree with all of this. I have a little more doubt about how much is him and how much is asst's though.
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If he's willing to make changes before it sets the program back and his efforts back I'm willing to wait and see if that makes it better before I get too crazy with opinions of him. You may be more right than I am.
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Did some of us really think that we were going to blow out Vandy? Did all of the neganerds that like to "keep it real" actually have higher expectations for a team with our current talent level when they have been saying we were a 5-7 team this entire time? How about we don't jump ship on our first year coach who already beat a #11 team this year, almost upset a #6 ranked team, and has coached through pretty much the hardest schedule I have ever seen. I am not saying that Butch is definitely the answer, but I am saying that some of the back seat athletic directors need to give the man some time to build our program. How easy it is for people to forget that Saban once lost to UL Monroe
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Wooh Wooh stop the clock with all the recruits coming Im still behind Butch but it's vandy dude
 
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Spartacavolus said:
kicker, back foot, pressure, cold ball, offbalance...definitely a floater. The hope is the guy is running by himself and a floater has all day to float. I think somebody for Vandy got some unexpected pressure too. Seems like he, shockingly, just ran through the line.
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Oh I didn't expect it to look like Montana to Rice. Palardy is a better Safety than QB.

The rest of what you said is dead on. It just didn't work.
 
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fade route said:
Your expectations of what Jones was supposed to accomplish this year proves that either you haven't kept up with UT football for the last 5 years or you just don't know very much about football period.
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No. It really proves nothing of that. Expecting him NOT to coach the team to numerous historic lows is NOT expecting too much. Expecting him to take a more talented team and beat Vandy is NOT expecting too much... and especially at Neyland with a GREAT crowd on hand hungry for a bowl game.... and some reason to have hope.

I've also looked a little behind Jones' record at Cincy. He beat a bunch of losers. He never beat a ranked team while there. He struggled against teams with winning records.

I'm not writing off the guy completely yet. But he has done nothing to earn any kind of trust yet. In fact... this season works the other way.
 
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fade route said:
Your expectations of what Jones was supposed to accomplish this year proves that either you haven't kept up with UT football for the last 5 years or you just don't know very much about football period.
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Expecting to try to play to what few strengths this team has is too much? Or at the least not spotlighting the glaring weaknesses?

That's all I hoped for this year. We did neither.
 
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The bashing will stop when the results warrant it to stop. Right or wrong, people aren't going to cut Butch any breaks for being responsible in Tennessee's fifth losing record in six years.
 
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BeecherVol said:
If he's willing to make changes before it sets the program back and his efforts back I'm willing to wait and see if that makes it better before I get too crazy with opinions of him. You may be more right than I am.
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You got to love the guy's energy... and that does sell with good recruits. And I want to believe that what we've seen is just discipline to some master strategy that will turn things around. I just see no signs of it... and it doesn't help that those who disagree cannot give any good reason for believing these guys are SEC caliber coaches.
 
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allvol123 said:
UGA was a strong performance.

That was a really good 2 games. Marred by a L, but that was a good performance.
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Agreed. That came before USCe though right? Seems they got better for a brief period then got dramatically worse.
 
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sjt18 said:
OK. Help me out. Which win or unexpectedly strong performance after the USCe game validated that win?
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Refering to you posting cbj cant coach in the sec. CBJ DID outcoach Spurrier.did you watch the game? Did you watch the Ga game?
Gruden is not coming.....accept it
 
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sjt18 said:
Agreed. That came before USCe though right? Seems they got better for a brief period then got dramatically worse.
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Yes, it was before USC.

Bama game did not surprise me. Neither did Auburn, terrible matchup given what they do and our deficiencies.

Margin of Missouri game bothered me.

I always thought Vandy was a toss up. Palardy hits the fg he missed, then the last one is not a fake to go up 9.
Vandy loss was not shocking to me.
 
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GrowVol said:
Refering to you posting cbj cant coach in the sec. CBJ DID outcoach Spurrier.did you watch the game? Did you watch the Ga game?
Gruden is not coming.....accept it
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Two circus catches constitutes outcoaching someone? Those were two good games. I felt like the team and coaches were making some positive strides. But then what happened? What did the coaches do after USCe that validated that game?

Not sure what you keep mentioning Gruden for. I never got caught up in that hype.... and was never convinced he would be good for UT.
 
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