Border Wall Thread (Merged)

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n_huffhines said:
What are you talking about? This is totally hypocritical.

I am saying don't shoot ourselves in the foot.

You are saying shoot ourselves in the foot because we will be better off in the long run.

I am not the one whose position is dependent on a future condition.
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How am I being hypocritical? You said I was guessing about the future. I agree. We all are guessing about the future as none of us knows what tomorrow will bring was my point. If you want to have a civil discussion fine. If you want to be combative and condescending fine. I can have a discussion with someone whose opinion is different.
 
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carlos86 said:
Mexico told trump to go pound sand last night. Mexico's Economy Minister said they will first respond to any tariff or tax by taxing the import of U.S. high fructose corn syrup and will go from there.
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This bozo just whiffed badly on his first real test. My preteens have negotiated deals with more expertise than this.

Southgate keeps chirping about "negotiating from a position of strength' while failing to recognize that the human cheeto has made a promise that he is in no position to enforce and the realization is slowly washing over him.

Bush league... Expect a flurry of unrelated attack tweets to distract the sheep from this titanic failure.
 
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Septic said:
This bozo just whiffed badly on his first real test. My preteens have negotiated deals with more expertise than this.

Southgate keeps chirping about "negotiating from a position of strength' while failing to recognize that the human cheeto has made a promise that he is in no position to enforce and the realization is slowly washing over him.

Bush league... Expect a flurry of unrelated attack tweets to distract the sheep from this titanic failure.
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I didn't realize the issue was behind us. Do you think the negotiations are over?
 
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southgatevol said:
How am I being hypocritical? You said I was guessing about the future. I agree. We all are guessing about the future as none of us knows what tomorrow will bring was my point. If you want to have a civil discussion fine. If you want to be combative and condescending fine. I can have a discussion with someone whose opinion is different.
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Stop being so sensitive. This is pretty civil, especially for an internet argument.

My position is don't shoot yourself in the foot for a gamble. I don't need to know the future in order to know this is responsible thinking. You need to have a pretty damn good idea of what the future holds before you justify shooting yourself in the foot, IMO.
 
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Septic said:
This bozo just whiffed badly on his first real test. My preteens have negotiated deals with more expertise than this.

Southgate keeps chirping about "negotiating from a position of strength' while failing to recognize that the human cheeto has made a promise that he is in no position to enforce and the realization is slowly washing over him.

Bush league... Expect a flurry of unrelated attack tweets to distract the sheep from this titanic failure.
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trump's primary concern is trump and that won't change.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Stop being so sensitive. This is pretty civil, especially for an internet argument.

My position is don't shoot yourself in the foot for a gamble. I don't need to know the future in order to know this is responsible thinking. You need to have a pretty damn good idea of what the future holds before you justify shooting yourself in the foot, IMO.
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Didn't realize I was being sensitive. I will tell my wife you said so. My opinion is the status quo sucks. I choose to have a different take on things than you. Our trade deals benefit our trading partners much more than ourselves. We will have trade deficits because we are a consumer society but we can be more balanced than we are currently.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Make America great again? America has always been great, the challenge is making Her greater. :yes:
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Wait for the last 8 years the liberals have told us that America was never great and our flag represents oppression. So which is it now?
 
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southgatevol said:
Didn't realize I was being sensitive. I will tell my wife you said so. My opinion is the status quo sucks. I choose to have a different take on things than you. Our trade deals benefit our trading partners much more than ourselves.
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What is your evidence that the deal is better for our partner and why is that a bad thing if the deal is good for us? How will a trade war fix the status quo when trade is not the problem?

We will have trade deficits because we are a consumer society but we can be more balanced than we are currently.
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Trade is balanced. There are two components to trade and you are only focusing on commodities. Our trading partners tend to buy less goods from us, but they have to use those $ for something so they use them to invest in our economy, which means jobs, development, innovation, etc.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What is your evidence that the deal is better for our partner and why is that a bad thing if the deal is good for us? How will a trade war fix the status quo when trade is not the problem?



Trade is balanced. There are two components to trade and you are only focusing on commodities. Our trading partners tend to buy less goods from us, but they have to use those $ for something so they use them to invest in our economy, which means jobs, development, innovation, etc.
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Do you believe our economy is ok at the present time? Do you think trade has any affect on our economy? Do you think we invest in Mexico? If we did not invest in Mexico, would their economy be better or worse? If they did not invest in our economy, to what extent would that affect us?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So how does that solve anything? Your hypothetical result means:

- no tariff tax to pay for wall
- we're still importing
- we're now paying more

It makes many things worse without making anything better.
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The point is Mexico can not afford to say no. We hold most of the cards. If we don't buy from them we can import elsewhere. The prices coming from Mexico under NAFTA are not lower than imported prices. The benefit was that we supply the raw materials and make profits doing it. Without that factor in place its a bad deal for the USA.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
The point is Mexico can not afford to say no. We hold most of the cards. If we don't buy from them we can import elsewhere. The prices coming from Mexico under NAFTA are not lower than imported prices. The benefit was that we supply the raw materials and make profits doing it. Without that factor in place its a bad deal for the USA.
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It's businesses and individual actors buying products from Mexico, not the USA. When the US implements protective tariffs, the benefits will go to politically favored entities at the expense of society as a whole.
 
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It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the thinking of Liberals. We are a sovereign Nation or so I thought so if we want to to build a "Great" Wall to keep out criminals and people breaking our laws by entering our country illegally then why is that wrong?

So the Mexican people don't want us to build the wall, well tough! I thought we lived in the United States not the United States & Mexico we shouldn't care what they think or want. Same goes for the precious snowflakes still crying that their King is no longer in charge.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the thinking of Liberals. We are a sovereign Nation or so I thought so if we want to to build a "Great" Wall to keep out criminals and people breaking our laws by entering our country illegally then why is that wrong?

So the Mexican people don't want us to build the wall, well tough! I thought we lived in the United States not the United States & Mexico we shouldn't care what they think or want. Same goes for the precious snowflakes still crying that their King is no longer in charge.
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Did the Maginot Line stop the German advance?

Does the Israeli wall stop acts of terror?

Does that fence in your backyard keep your neighbor's dog from ****ting on your patio?
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the thinking of Liberals. We are a sovereign Nation or so I thought so if we want to to build a "Great" Wall to keep out criminals and people breaking our laws by entering our country illegally then why is that wrong?

So the Mexican people don't want us to build the wall, well tough! I thought we lived in the United States not the United States & Mexico we shouldn't care what they think or want. Same goes for the precious snowflakes still crying that their King is no longer in charge.
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It's hard for me to wrap my head around of the mind of a person who thinks a fence is going to keep out people who want in.

The Mexicans don't' care if we build a wall, they just don't want to pay for it. Speaking of king, it's been reported that the human cheeto has developed carpel tunnel from all the EO's he's signed in the past week.
 
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Septic said:
I wonder how much it would cost to create a database of legit workers and jail employers who hire illegals? Cut the head off the snake so to speak...

If there was a hint I'd be thrown in the clink for hiring an illegal, I'd trace their lineage back to Australopithecus before bringing them on.
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Hello Mr. Septic, I'm ODR, and I'm in total agreement with and support your position.
 
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MG1968 said:
Did the Maginot Line stop the German advance?

Does the Israeli wall stop acts of terror?

Does that fence in your backyard keep your neighbor's dog from ****ting on your patio?
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No defensive wall will work when the defenders turn and run. :)
 
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southgatevol said:
Do you believe our economy is ok at the present time? Do you think trade has any affect on our economy? Do you think we invest in Mexico? If we did not invest in Mexico, would their economy be better or worse? If they did not invest in our economy, to what extent would that affect us?
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Trade is not what is wrong with our economy. Our partnership with mexico is only helping.
 
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carlos86 said:
Mexico told trump to go pound sand last night. Mexico's Economy Minister said they will first respond to any tariff or tax by taxing the import of U.S. high fructose corn syrup and will go from there.
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Mexico getting in a pissing match with trump and the US will work put great for them. The state of texas alone could outdo that country in any measurable way...and probably defeat its military if needed. Which will never happen. Its like the 12 year old little brother popping off at the mouth in front of his little friends...1 remark too many and the 18 year old brother will give him a wedgie so severe he will be wearing his underwear as a bandana while his sphincter bleeds. Got that mental picture? Bueno, hermanito.
 
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orangeluvr said:
trump's primary concern is trump and that won't change.
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I believe that is a false statement.

I think he has more interest in the people of America. That of course could change.

He will, until convinced he should do otherwise, always follow his formula for deal making. Start out from your maximum position, whether you can sustain it or not. Your opposite in negotions responds with xxx, as in this case, high fructose corn syrup. (which NO ONE should consume much of anyway-no big loss there, eh? Healthier USA here we come).

Now we wait for further evaluation and counter...and so it will go until an agreement is reached. You know kinda like finding an AD for our athletic department. Nothing to see here except economic 'shots across the bow' that will in no way be the final negotiations.

As for me, I hope 'The Wall' is getting Mexico to take hard, fast, firm, honest responsibility for their own damn side of the border. Are they really too much of a shiethole country to do that with all the industry moved down there!!?, and near the frickin border??!! Damn right they need to take at least their share of closing off the border. And if they don't, we WILL find a way to get our pound of flesh out of Mexico for what their governmental intransignence costs the USA.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Trade is not what is wrong with our economy. Our partnership with mexico is only helping.
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Huff it seems like this topic is becoming like the renters paying property tax thing for you. You are stressing too much about it dude.

Maybe we should rent mexico the land we build the fence on, and then let them pay property taxes on it too. Shazzayum! Wall paid for
Lol
 
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