Butch Has Enough Talent...

#77
#77
99gator said:
in sec games last season, tennessee ran the ball 257 times for 1129 yards. a 4.39 yards per carry average.

if you subtract cordarelle patterson's rushing totals in league games....

tennessee ran it 239 times for 936 yards. a 3.91 yards per carry average.

i don't think tennessee will have the success on the ground that people think without the threat of patterson and hunter on the outside.
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That's because you assume UT will run last year's offense. Obviously, we won't.
Funnily, the tables have been turned. Muschamp will try to run Fulmer's offense, and Jones will try to run Spurrier's.
 
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#78
#78
checkerboards09 said:
I think the trenches is where we excell this year. The OL, I can agree is gonna be awesome. I think where most are gonna be surprised is the DL. Our D-line will wreak havoc on opposing qb's, imo
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I hope so. Think back to 1994. UT lost Jerry Colquitt on the 1st drive of the season. Nearly beat UCLA in that game with Helton, Manning, and Stewart taking snaps.

UT went into UGA the next weekend and proceeded to pound the freakin' rock against the Dawgs. Helton threw, maybe, 10 passes all game. A big O-line and a slew of RB's including Aaron Hayden, James Stewart, & Jay Graham wore the Dawgs out.

Granted, Spurrier and Gator blew them out, but the O-line was the strength of the team and allowed Manning to grow into the job.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
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Name calling?
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Oh Wise Vol have you ever started a thread that was realistic or just perpetually positive all the time. I mean TN could win 8, but they have 3 if not minimum 2 losses already on their schedule guaranteed. While every positive and negative Vol alike would wish for at least 8 wins, in your heart of heart's do you really think that is a over 50 percent chance. At best 30 percent 8 wins and 10-15 percent chance at best 9 wins.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I hope so. Think back to 1994. UT lost Jerry Colquitt on the 1st drive of the season. Nearly beat UCLA in that game with Helton, Manning, and Stewart taking snaps.

UT went into UGA the next weekend and proceeded to pound the freakin' rock against the Dawgs. Helton threw, maybe, 10 passes all game. A big O-line and a slew of RB's including Aaron Hayden, James Stewart, & Jay Graham wore the Dawgs out.

Granted, Spurrier and Gator blew them out, but the O-line was the strength of the team and allowed Manning to grow into the job.
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You might make a case for the O-line being equal to that o-line, but in what world our the current stable of running backs even close to that group?
 
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hillccs said:
You might make a case for the O-line being equal to that o-line, but in what world our the current stable of running backs even close to that group?
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Good point. But a great o-line in 1990 made Tony Thompson an all SEC RB...although I wouldn't compare this o-line to that one.
 
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#82
Coastypop said:
To quote Titanvolfanforlife ..

" 6 Wins and a Bowl Win is a decent 1st year.

7 Wins and a Bowl win is a good 1st year.

8 Wins and a Bowl Win is a great 1st season."
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Or to put it into gut reaction emotions:

If we win 6 and go to a Bowl I'm satisfied given the schedule.

If we win 7 and go to a Bowl i'm happy, pending outcome of said bowl and who we play and what the outcome is.

If we win 8 period i'm giddy and all "vol's are back baby!". Less than 6 and I'm disappointed and I'll chalk it up to the process, brick by brick etc. and give CBJ more time.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Good point. But a great o-line in 1990 made Tony Thompson an all SEC RB...although I wouldn't compare this o-line to that one.
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Yep a great O-line can do wonderful things. If our OL turns out to be as great as we know it can be, Neal/Lane may push 1500 yards.
 
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hillccs said:
Oh Wise Vol have you ever started a thread that was realistic or just perpetually positive all the time. I mean TN could win 8, but they have 3 if not minimum 2 losses already on their schedule guaranteed. While every positive and negative Vol alike would wish for at least 8 wins, in your heart of heart's do you really think that is a over 50 percent chance. At best 30 percent 8 wins and 10-15 percent chance at best 9 wins.
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Thanks for the opinion about UT's prospects.
Save the name calling. It demeans us all, and mostly the accuser.
Until I'm paying you for it, don't presume to obstruct my right to express my opinion here. This is what this forum is for.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Thanks for the opinion.
Save the name calling.
And don't presume to obstruct my right to express my opinion here. This is what this forum is for.
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I am struggling to see where I called you a name, I ask a question are you perpetually positive? I also said all vol fans should hope for 8 wins and would be happy, but to say it is some type of lock is being perpetually delusional.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Good point. But a great o-line in 1990 made Tony Thompson an all SEC RB...although I wouldn't compare this o-line to that one.
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You know it is a shame that this O-Line did not get a A running back in this last recruiting class. It would have been fun to watch.
 
#89
#89
The OL has proven that they are top 3 in the country in pass blocking. If that could ever translate to run blocking than I can see 7 wins, even 8 as a possibility.

UT's OL should dominate 3 OOC and UK.

Handle Vandy, Mizzou, Auburn, Oregon.


13' Defense will be much different in philosophy. I think they will provide enough to be in the game with the first 7 teams mentioned.

The biggest question mark is the QB. There is a tremendous amount of pre-snap reads in this offense. It will be much different than Bray last year simply slinging it to great WR's.

If UT finds a QB out of the group I think 8 is in reach. If not than 3 and outs will be the norm and fans will be hoping for a win against Vandy.
 
#90
#90
I'm not putting a number on wins that I expect this year, but I will remind all the posters that say we don't have a chance against Ala., FL, Oregon, GA., or USCe, to remember the '09 team (Kiffins) with walk-ons starting, no depth at all, and yet they took Ala. down to the wire, killed USCe & GA. We have a chance against anyone we play. The '13 team will have a better coach than the '09, '10, '11, & '12 teams. Are we going to beat one of said teams? I don't know the answer, but I'll say we'll be fighting til the end & may pull 1 or 2 of these games out for a W. Oh yeah, we didn't have a chance against Miami in the '85 Sugar Bowl either. If W's & L's were awarded on paper, there's no reason to play on the field, and you can ask several teams about that from the past. What the heck, 8-5 with a bowl win.
 
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rjd970 said:
Exactly.

Personally, I don't think 8 wins is complete unreasonable, but I don't think it is going to happen either.

If we beat everyone we are supposed to it is 6 wins.

If we split one of USCjr, UGA, and Auburn it is 7 wins.

If we win 2 of USCjr, UGA, and Auburn it is 8 wins.

...all three obviously it is 9 wins.

IMO, we don't have a prayer against Bama, UF, UGA, and USCjr. Auburn will be a toss-up.

I'm looking at a 7 win season, which is a reasonable expectation.
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I think that auburn is a supposed to win game being at UT and the fact they have been as bad or worse than UT over the last two years.
 
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#94
Here is what I'd like to see from Butch in year 1 -

1. A winning season or at least 50/50 and a bowl birth
2. Beat Vandy
3. Stop the d..n read option attack from Florida that has beaten us most years since the mid-90s. If he can do this, his contract should be extended by 10 years. Even if we lose, just stop that d..n read option.
4. No special team mistakes all season - no blocked fg/xp; no block punts; no returns for TDs; no kickoffs returns for TDs
5. At least one guy in our defensive backfield that is a "lock-down" guy that teams won't throw too. We haven't see this since Berry. There are four back there - I'm just asking for one.
6. Mid game adjustments - I don't care if they simply come out from the half with different colored unis - just make some half time adjustments on offense and defense
7. A RB that punishes the tackler instead of tip-toes/finesse through the line of scrimmage; haven't seen that since J Lewis

If he does these things, even with a 50/50 record, I'll say UT is headed in the right direction - - and I've been a Vol fan with my first game in 1974.
 
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#95
#95
UGADawg4Life said:
I think some of you all forget that there are 13 other teams that are positive as well. And not many of them are going to lay down just because their opponent is positive.
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Listen, butt sniffer, I never said opponents are going to lay down because we're positive, did I?

If you're going to discuss with me, at least make coherent, logical points. If not, well, bye.
 
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#96
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WiseOlVol said:
right now to win 8 games if he's as good an X/Os guys as he's appeared to be.

Derek just didn't get the complexities and relied on asst's too much.
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Please stop setting Butch up to fail. It's people like you that will be calling for his head after his first loss. It's a good season if we go 6-6 with the talent he has.
 
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What I find funny is how many of the same people who NEVER wanted to hold Dooley accountable and made excuses at his every turn now have set expectations on Butch at a MUCH higher level than they EVER set on Dooley.
This in spite of Butch taking over the biggest debacle in UT history while UT being part of the toughest conference in college football history.
I don't know if Butch is the coach that will take us back to the promise land but I do know he is at least a head coach with a winning back ground.
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#99
#99
utvols74 said:
Here is what I'd like to see from Butch in year 1 -

1. A winning season or at least 50/50 and a bowl birth
2. Beat Vandy
3. Stop the d..n read option attack from Florida that has beaten us most years since the mid-90s. If he can do this, his contract should be extended by 10 years. Even if we lose, just stop that d..n read option.
4. No special team mistakes all season - no blocked fg/xp; no block punts; no returns for TDs; no kickoffs returns for TDs
5. At least one guy in our defensive backfield that is a "lock-down" guy that teams won't throw too. We haven't see this since Berry. There are four back there - I'm just asking for one.
6. Mid game adjustments - I don't care if they simply come out from the half with different colored unis - just make some half time adjustments on offense and defense
7. A RB that punishes the tackler instead of tip-toes/finesse through the line of scrimmage; haven't seen that since J Lewis

If he does these things, even with a 50/50 record, I'll say UT is headed in the right direction - - and I've been a Vol fan with my first game in 1974.
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This made me laugh:lolabove:... Thanks.:hi:
 
#100
#100
Boca Vol said:
You put your playmakers in position to get the ball in front of them so they can make plays.
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the problem for the staff is there are not many playmakers on this roster, if any.. outside of the OL and they rarely do anything with the football
 
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