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That's an awesome verse, and I'm proud that my coach wears it. He seems very happy to serve as a leader to young men.

It's really disheartening that any mention of religion or Christianity is immediately followed by dismissal and mockery.

The following is one of my favorite verses on the natural proof of God:

Romans 1:18-20 ESV

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
 
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That's an awesome verse, and I'm proud that my coach wears it. He seems very happy to serve as a leader to young men.

It's really disheartening that any mention of religion or Christianity is immediately followed by dismissal and mockery.

The following is one of my favorite verses on the natural proof of God:

Romans 1:18-20 ESV

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Personally I appreciate and agree with most of your post.

I do however take exception to the statement that "any mention of religion or Christianity is immediately followed by dismissal and mockery."

As a Christian myself I find it somewhat silly to think that God is interested in UT football. To insinuate or think that he would favor UT over other teams is likely what some atheist or non Christians find entertaining or mock.
 
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No christian craziness--and there is a massive amount of it, especially in the bible belt--will top tebow putting bible verse in his eye black, and then his kneeling routine. Poor kid was totally brainwashed as a kid; I guess we can be thankful he wasn't a snake handler.
 
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I know you mean well, man, but preaching on about eternal, fiery Hell is no way to enlighten people on the goodness of the Lord.

My Lord is a good Lord. I prayed to him and he brought me the kind of woman I wanted. He wants us to be happy, so I can't believe he would confine anyone to eternal fire torture.


crickets..... have you read the bible? good vs evil.... heaven and hell.... does hell just exist for no one to go there.? Heyy Satan beats on us every year... Havent you seen him, its living proof, I think he popped up in the thread earlier with a big A on his shirt? :hi:
 
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Personally I appreciate and agree with most of your post.

I do however take exception to the statement that "any mention of religion or Christianity is immediately followed by dismissal and mockery."

As a Christian myself I find it somewhat silly to think that God is interested in UT football. To insinuate or think that he would favor UT over other teams is likely what some atheist or non Christians find entertaining or mock.

God is interested in ALL of our endeavors including football. The winners do receive providential favor... but not for the petty reasons we have.
 
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I love how debates are still going on about Jesus 2014 years later..... He must have been phenominal to be so deeply talked about even in a sports forum. If he didnt exist or the story was made up, why was there such a spread of religion, why are there non-beleivers still trying to prove that he didnt exist. To me, people find it easier to disclaim any belonging to GOD because its easier to say I don't believe and go on with your life, but dont you understand that evolution and whatever you do or dont beleive in takes faith. I beleive In something that was recorded in history and the effects are still existent, people still praise Jesus and we have books that talk about him, and it makes sense that such a complex, and orderly world had a creator, than the world and all the living things came from a spec of a cell in space and evolved.
 
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I know you mean well, man, but preaching on about eternal, fiery Hell is no way to enlighten people on the goodness of the Lord.

My Lord is a good Lord. I prayed to him and he brought me the kind of woman I wanted. He wants us to be happy, so I can't believe he would confine anyone to eternal fire torture.

That is the PERFECT way to teach people about the goodness of God.

Let's say you are a smoker. I truly want you to be happy. So the best way I can express that is to NOT warn you about the consequences of smoking, right? NO. If I truly want you to be happy, I should warn you about the consequences of your decisions AND tell you about a better choice.

Read John. People are condemned already. He doesn't have to confine them... they CHOOSE to reject Him and rebel. It isn't that He pushes you off the cliff you have chosen to walk to... but rather than He snatches you away from the fall that is inevitable without Him. People are running to destruction in spite of the salvation He offers. God simply allows people to choose even to the point of their own destruction. And... people in vanity and pride embrace that life rather than bowing their knee.

Better than I could ever say it:

Select Sermons - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

One of the greatest sermons of all time about God's grace in saving the completely unworthy.
 
to disclaim any belonging to GOD because its easier to say I don't believe and go on with your life, but dont you understand that evolution and whatever you do or dont beleive in takes faith.

You do know that Evolution is Scientific Fact not faith. The evidence is irrefutable at this point.
 
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That is the PERFECT way to teach people about the goodness of God.

Let's say you are a smoker. I truly want you to be happy. So the best way I can express that is to NOT warn you about the consequences of smoking, right? NO. If I truly want you to be happy, I should warn you about the consequences of your decisions AND tell you about a better choice.

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I find it interesting that the command found at Gen 2:16-17carried no such warning of eternal torment in hellfire.

Would you not expect a God of love (1 John 4:8) to give an accurate warning of the full consequences of disobediance ?
 
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If there is a God, and he is good....I just don't see him saying "Well you were a good dude and all, but in '93 you said some pretty mean things about me....Down to the fiery pits of eternal damnation for you!"

“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” - Bertrand Russell
 
Haha. The non-believers are weak in this thread. Usually they at least show a small amount of conviction in their beliefs.

Standard responses in here today.

The entire universe was once all together in a ball the size of a pinhead? Funny how you can believe that. "How do you know the miracles Jesus performed were real? Were you there?"

Well... How do you know the universe formed by the big bang? Were you there?

You are putting your belief and FAITH into something, too. The human race...
Sorry to bust your bubble guys, but we will fail you every time.
 
You do know that Evolution is Scientific Fact not faith. The evidence is irrefutable at this point.

Need proof of this "fact". I believe evolution is a "theory" buddy.

Try again.


Personally though, I think both exist at the same time.
 
Need proof of this "fact". I believe evolution is a "theory" buddy.

Try again.


Personally though, I think both exist at the same time.

It is the Theory of Evolution just as its the Theory of Gravity or the Theory of Relativity.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
 
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Except for parents who tragically lose a child at a young age. I guess he doesnt want them to be happy. Oh well I guess hes just testing them right? What a nice guy God is.

I think there are bad things that will happen no matter what. And along with payer, you have to put yourself in a position to have your prayers answered. Along with prayer, I know I had to fish, too, to land my honey, but it took the Lords help to haul her in the boat.

He's simply objectifying women as instructed in the Book

It's more of a celebration.

Have you read the bible? good vs evil.... heaven and hell.... does hell just exist for no one to go there.?

I have read the Bible, and the Lord talks a whole lot about love, and nothing I can really see about eternal fire and that kind of nonsense. That's just fundamentalist talk there.

That is the PERFECT way to teach people about the goodness of God.

Let's say you are a smoker. I truly want you to be happy. So the best way I can express that is to NOT warn you about the consequences of smoking, right? NO. If I truly want you to be happy, I should warn you about the consequences of your decisions AND tell you about a better choice.

Yeah, and if I die from lung cancer, I die and that's it. That's the lesson to be learned. I wouldn't be condemned to terrible lung related pain for eternity as some sort of extra punishment. You need a better analogy.
 
I stopped reading after you said Hitler was an atheist.

You need to read more

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, *********s? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
 
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I do find it interesting to ask atheists to explain their belief on the universe's creation, I take the Bible as sort of.... guidance, much less literal stories, because I'm a strong believer in science, do I have the answer? No, I don't. To think you do however, just look how far our race has come. We still kill each other over pieces of shiny metal and paper, over black liquids from the earth, over land, over what we perceive to be "power". Power over what? Other people? In the grand scheme that's not much, but I don't think we're close to understanding this wonderful universe, and those that want to feel high and mighty and pretend with a sense of smug satisfaction that simply because others don't believe there is no purpose and that this life is meaningless... I've got news for you, most of us would rather be ridiculed for believing in God or any god for that matter and believe in an afterlife... than fear life thinking there is nothing but death.
 
I do find it interesting to ask atheists to explain their belief on the universe's creation, I take the Bible as sort of.... guidance, much less literal stories, because I'm a strong believer in science, do I have the answer? No, I don't. To think you do however, just look how far our race has come. We still kill each other over pieces of shiny metal and paper, over black liquids from the earth, over land, over what we perceive to be "power". Power over what? Other people? In the grand scheme that's not much, but I don't think we're close to understanding this wonderful universe, and those that want to feel high and mighty and pretend with a sense of smug satisfaction that simply because others don't believe there is no purpose and that this life is meaningless... I've got news for you, most of us would rather be ridiculed for believing in God or any god for that matter and believe in an afterlife... than fear life thinking there is nothing but death.

Therein lies the answer for many, I think. I've believed for a very long time that when I die, that's it. And, what I do or become on this rock is up to me. We have yet to scratch the surface of the universe and all it beholds. History has shown that we are not a peaceful being. Nor, or most on this sphere.
 
Therein lies the answer for many, I think. I've believed for a very long time that when I die, that's it. And, what I do or become on this rock is up to me. We have yet to scratch the surface of the universe and all it beholds. History has shown that we are not a peaceful being. Nor, or most on this sphere.

Don't misunderstand me, I respect all beliefs, I just PERSONALLY, think there's more than this. No matter what it is.
 
Don't misunderstand me, I respect all beliefs, I just PERSONALLY, think there's more than this. No matter what it is.

Hey, I know what you're saying. It's just a difference of opinion. I just wanted to state mine w/o trying to bash anyone else.:hi:
 
I have read the Bible, and the Lord talks a whole lot about love, and nothing I can really see about eternal fire and that kind of nonsense. That's just fundamentalist talk there.

1 Cor 6:10

…9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God


Would this be in the bible if it was false. Would he let people into heaven that defy and mock him that are evil who care nothing about Jesus? They cannot be forgiven if they didn't ask.

If the do not go to heaven where would they go? I am not being hateful but if your a believer I feel you should know that there is indeed a hell.
 
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