Butch Jones "Vows to bring the Vols back"

[BaldBiker]

If you don't know how a coach's day goes from the standpoint of pr, agendas, meetings, personal assistants, and on and on, it's best not to make a comment about dumbing something down.

Sparty in with an uppercut.

 

[UT Hill Man]

It's not just you - there are many others here who can't comprehend that you can support someone and wish for them to succeed but be critical of how they go about it. So let me repeat: I support the new stuff 100% but they should stop selling themselve and get off the twitter (and this forum) and go to work. Those of you who can't comprehend that sentence sorry but there is not much I can do for you (I can only dumb it down so much).

You're dumbing things down for your own benefit.

Social media is vastly important in modern recruiting. And shaking hands with donors in Knoxville, Nashville and Memphis is part of the job, too. We are in desperate need of money so that we can compete with the Alabama's and Florida's of this league, and you are over there pooh-poohing Butch for spending a day traveling across the state promoting the Vol brand.

You really do not have a clue.

 

[TGVol]

I'm sure he's the only coach in the SEC that uses twitter hmy:

He is not. I read somewhere that soon after he was hired that he was only trailing LSU's Miles in terms of twitter followers in the SEC - so it did not take him very long at all to accomplish that (no problem with that). But the problem is that that quick accomplishment did not translate in any way shape or form into quick recruiting success (what actually mattered).
Dooley did a lot better his first year and only had 2 weeks to do it (as opposed to 31 days). That's the undeniable fact (and I don't know to what extent Dooley used twitter if at all).

 

[utvolpj]

Dooley did a lot better his first year and only had 2 weeks to do it (as opposed to 31 days). That's the undeniable fact (and I don't know to what extent Dooley used twitter if at all).

Dooley inherited a top-10 class and left Jones with a class barely in the top-50

 

[jahvol]

Inb4 talk is cheap, Prove it on the field or else crowd.

you really think you're a harda** don't you? :lol: please go on somewhere negavol. The least you can do is support him and say I hope so, you're just asking for him to fail and not even giving him a chance. I bet you're the type of person that when he loses to Alabama next season you're gonna be calling for his head. As someone I know used to say "YOU AIN'T GOT NO SENSE!"

 

[Spartacavolus]

Dooley inherited a top-10 class and left Jones with a class barely in the top-50

surely you aren't bringing Kiffin's class into the discussion. That ranking meant absolutely nothing after signing day.

 

[mtowntim]

Sparty in with an uppercut.

Sparty bringing the truth....same as most of you are.

 

[utvolpj]

surely you aren't bringing Kiffin's class into the discussion. That ranking meant absolutely nothing after signing day.

of course I am since TG seems to only be concerned with raw numbers. Nothing else matters when you're laying down "undeniable fact" like he is

 

[TGVol]

Dooley inherited a top-10 class and left Jones with a class barely in the top-50

:bad: WRONG again. Dooley inherited program that was falling appart and under NCAA investigation. As a matter of fact, UT job was listed as most desirable open job before Butch was hired (far from being the case when Dooley was hired).

 

[utvolpj]

:bad: WRONG again. Dooley inherited program that was falling appart and under NCAA investigation. As a matter of fact, UT job was listed as most desirable open job before Butch was hired (far from being the case when Dooley was hired).

nothing in my post is wrong

 

[Brillovol]

He is not. I read somewhere that soon after he was hired that he was only trailing LSU's Miles in terms of twitter followers in the SEC - so it did not take him very long at all to accomplish that (no problem with that). But the problem is that that quick accomplishment did not translate in any way shape or form into quick recruiting success (what actually mattered).
Dooley did a lot better his first year and only had 2 weeks to do it (as opposed to 31 days). That's the undeniable fact (and I don't know to what extent Dooley used twitter if at all).

You do realize that upwards of 10 players in Dooley's 1st class were already on campus by the time he took over? Like I said earlier, year 2 is where we can judge Butch's job appropriately. I've said it once and I'll say it again, he's done an exceptional job so far and it's not going to be hard to be a better coach on Saturdays.

 

[GBO25]

I don't know if everyone got a lot of feedback from Thursday's post signing day celebration, but in Nashville the impression he left with fans was beyond strong.

It was great to watch him talking to fans at the Downtown Hilton, and privately he was reiterating that we will be back on top sooner than later. People, we have a coach who gets it. Butch Jones will not stop until he has us contending for national championships.

I would settle for the SEC East Championship first, Then the SEC championship, Then National Championship. I don't expect it to happen over night. It will take years to get the recruits, the winning attitude, and some luck on the way. We've got to be contenders in the SEC before talking National Titles. (Although the argument can be made that if we win the SEC, we could be on our way to a National Championship.):yes:

 

[TGVol]

nothing in my post is wrong

:loco: Everything about it is wrong. It is a well established fact that Dooley needed only 2 weeks to get D Rogers and Hunter - and finished #9 in his first year because of that.

 

[utvolpj]

:loco: Everything about it is wrong. It is a well established fact that Dooley needed only 2 weeks to get D Rogers and Hunter - and finished #9 in his first year because of that.

only ones he got were Rogers and Stone (and Rogers can still be debated)

which coach moved the needle the most with their first class?

 

[tdvol]

I'm an eternal optimist and see everthing through orange tinted glasses. I was on the Lane-train and drank the Dool-aid. bUTch jones has actually had success, granted at smaller schools; however if you can coach up your players and have a plan and have shown the ability to actually coach: You can win.
Coach Jones has a plan and has shown he can coach, which is a huge improvement.

GBO

 

[TGVol]

only ones he got were Rogers and Stone (and Rogers can still be debated)

Rogers can't be debated. Dooley flipped him from UGA - it's as simple as that. But even if Dooley only got Rogers and Stone (which is not accurate because he also got Hunter), that is still far better than what Jones brought in as far as top level recruits (he only got North not to flip and also did not manage to keep the o-linemen from flipping to Arkansas). He did not bring in any of his own highly ranked recruits (and why didn't he already have relationships built from his previous job? - why would he not have a bunch of 5* who already liked him when he was at Cincy but did not want to play in big east - he should have had these types of relationships already built and those types of players should have signed up to play for him on day one after he got the real job at UT).

 

[Wylo]

Wylo, don't act like he was coaching Florida's talent when he got beat by Dooley. He got beat by Dooley because the talent difference allowed it. Also keep in mind that after we beat Cincy, they went on to a 10-2 record with a Big East title. How did we end the season? With a 5-7 record and a loss to KY.

If you're going to spew garbage, at least bring all the facts to the conversation.
EDIT* 10-3 record and shared a conf. title

So, what about the talent difference between UT and UK?

That was pretty much the same team.

My point is that you and others on here use half the facts to try and paint a whole picture.

I simply said stop ignoring the bad.

 

[utvolpj]

Rogers can't be debated. Dooley flipped him from UGA - it's as simple as that. But even if Dooley only got Rogers and Stone (which is not accurate because he also got Hunter), that is still far better than what Jones brought in as far as top level recruits (he only got North not to flip and also did not manage to keep the o-linemen from flipping to Arkansas). He did not bring in any of his own highly ranked recruits (and why didn't he already have relationships built from his previous job? - why would he not have a bunch of 5* who already liked him when he was at Cincy but did not want to play in big east - he should have had these types of relationships already built and those types of players should have signed up to play for him on day one after he got the real job at UT).

Do you even follow this stuff at all?

the package deal for Rogers was put in place by Orgeron. All Dooley did was honor it

Hunter was flipping before Dooley (unless you think Dooley flipped him with one in-home visit with his amazing closing skills. Skills that were never seen again at UT)

Stone was committing to any UT coach not named Kiffin

sure, you can count those as Dooley recruits if you want but it's simply not the case that he landed them with his amazing recruiting skills.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's not just you - there are many others here who can't comprehend that you can support someone and wish for them to succeed but be critical of how they go about it. So let me repeat: I support the new stuff 100% but they should stop selling themselve and get off the twitter (and this forum) and go to work.

You're making a logical fallacy here by presenting the two (going to work vs selling themselves) as mutually exclusive. It is possible to do both. As a matter of fact, one can be a facet of the other: i.e. one can make the argument that selling themselves is, in fact, part of getting to work.

CBJ has been hired as the coach of UT. That is a leadership position. Part of leadership is communicating vision; that is what he is doing. So, you've failed in your evaluation by presenting an either/or proposition.

(Hint: he is less selling himself, as he is selling his vision for the program. Part of effective leadership is:

(a) garnering support as a leader.
(b) communicating the vision for the organization.

Those of you who can't comprehend that sentence sorry but there is not much I can do for you

Perhaps the problems are the result of your fallacious points, as opposed to the abilities of others.

(I can only dumb it down so much).

Oh, I would beg to differ.

:hi:

 

[utvols1975]

Did kiffin and dooley not say the same thing??? Seriously talk is cheap. Just get the job done and let it speak for itself. I don't understand why people need to get all fluffed up by talk that is a given. What else is he suppose to say?!?!?

Since CBJ can't coach a game until September, talking is about all he can do now. What else should he do right now when he can't coach yet? Should he just be silent and not talk to the fans, or the media? Would silence give you a better impression of him?

Some of you Negavols are so irrational and delusional and it continues to amaze me.

Vols, Butch!

 

[BaldBiker]

Do you even follow this stuff at all?

the package deal for Rogers was put in place by Orgeron. All Dooley did was honor it

Hunter was flipping before Dooley (unless you think Dooley flipped him with one in-home visit with his amazing closing skills. Skills that were never seen again at UT)

Stone was committing to any UT coach not named Kiffin

sure, you can count those as Dooley recruits if you want but it's simply not the case that he landed them with his amazing recruiting skills.

Stop with the facts pj. You'll fluster him.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's not how much time it takes - it's the message regarding what they are focused on - it seems that this staff is focused on selling themselves above anything else at this point and I'm always suspicious of that (if they are great and have confidence in themselves they should not have to focus on that).

That is categorically untrue, especially for a leader who is having to navigate transition in a fragile organization. They have to cast vision while garnering support and finding opportunities to prove their abilities.

 

[Brooks_Orpik]

I support the new stuff 100% but they should stop selling themselve and get off the twitter (and this forum) and go to work).

I agree, I want coach jones to talk about how this is not a very good football team and the "process"

 

[Pacer92]

I agree, I want coach jones to talk about how this is not a very good football team and the "process"

And to let this get out to a team he's trying to earn the trust and respect of? Big fail! Imo

 

[TGVol]

proposition.

(Hint: he is less selling himself, as he is selling his vision for the program. Part of effective leadership is:

(a) garnering support as a leader.
(b) communicating the vision for the organization.

Here are few things Butch said so far:

1. We are the winningest program of all time
2. UT sells itself - all you have to do is show up and everyone recognizes the power T
3. We have the best staff in America
4. They have the infalliable plan

All sounds good (and you can call all this a vision).
But the problem is they have met quite a few recruits even this time around and could not get them to buy into this vision - even though they were out there with twitter etc talking all this up (but this vision is supposedly as true now as it will be next year so why did the highly rated recruits not buy into it)? Will winning 6-7 games next year make it more obvious to recruits that we really do have the best staff in America (as opposed to less likely to belive this when the losses start accumulating)?