CA Store Owner Killed Over Displaying Pride Flag

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n_huffhines said:
Well, the people wondering about the emergence of hateful attitudes certainly got some answers in this thread.
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It's hateful to say that someone who believes they are something different than they actually are is mentally ill? Where does this continuum extend? What if they identify as a different age? Different species? Was the DSM (guide to diagnosing mental illness) hateful all those years?

Speaking of, how did homosexual people get lumped into this group? I have several gay friends, and none of them think they are actually the opposite gender.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Teach them about queer ways? Lmao when the President reads to kids is he targeting them to teach them about straight ways and sex?
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When our current POTUS reads to kids, he either reminds them of Grandpa when he's sloshed, when he leaves his teeth out, or when he goes on a rambling rant yelling at clouds. Any actual content is overlooked at that point.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
It's hateful to say that someone who believes they are something different than they actually are is mentally ill? Where does this continuum extend? What if they identify as a different age? Different species? Was the DSM (guide to diagnosing mental illness) hateful all those years?

Speaking of, how did homosexual people get lumped into this group? I have several gay friends, and none of them think they are actually the opposite gender.
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If I don't know if somebody is mentally ill, it's not nice to call them mentally ill and you left out the part where he doesn't think they belong in public. Is that not hateful?

Gender confusion is a biological phenomenon that happens at birth for some people. I'm unaware of any biological confusion about species.

Who is lumping gays in with trans? FTR, drag queens are not necessarily transgender and don't necessarily identify as women, and don't have gender confusion, they just like to dress up.
 
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Much of the current backlash against the "LGBTQIA+ community" is due to people feeling that they are being forced to endure situations that they find extremely offensive or discriminatory in order to accommodate a small minority.

Business owners being forced to assist in events they find morally offensive, young women's accomplishments being displaced by biological males, people (usually females) being forced to share changing areas with people who have the biological anatomy of the other gender, etc...those are circumstances that many find to be not only intolerable but illogical. One could argue that only "haters" would demand that others submit to these situations.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If I don't know if somebody is mentally ill, it's not nice to call them mentally ill and you left out the part where he doesn't think they belong in public. Is that not hateful?

Gender confusion is a biological phenomenon that happens at birth for some people. I'm unaware of any biological confusion about species.
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Well, I'm going on what was taught in my Psychology major and in medical school. The DSM Is literally THE TOOL used to diagnose mental disorders:


DSM-IV-TR Diagnostic Criteria For Gender Identity Disorder


A. A strong and persistent cross-gender identification (not merely a desire for any perceived cultural advantages of being the other sex). In children, the disturbance is manifested by four (or more) of the following:

1.
repeatedly stated desire to be, or insistence that he or she is, the other sex
2.
in boys, preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; in girls, insistence on wearing only stereotypical masculine clothing
3.
strong and persistent preferences for cross-sex roles in make-believe play or persistent fantasies of being the other sex
4.
intense desire to participate in the stereotypical games and pastimes of the other sex
5.
strong preference for playmates of the other sex


B. Persistent discomfort with his or her sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.
C. The disturbance is not concurrent with a physical intersex condition.
D. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Well, I'm going on what was taught in my Psychology major and in medical school. The DSM Is literally THE TOOL used to diagnose mental disorders:


DSM-IV-TR Diagnostic Criteria For Gender Identity Disorder
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Then why are you quoting an outdated DSM? DSM-5 is at least a decade old.
 
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DSM-5 Criteria for Gender Dysphoria

A). A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months duration, as manifested by at least two or more of the following: 1. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics). 2. A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics). 3. A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender. 4. A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender). 5. A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender). 6. A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender). B). The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
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Sorry for loss of formatting
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Well, I'm going on what was taught in my Psychology major and in medical school. The DSM Is literally THE TOOL used to diagnose mental disorders:


DSM-IV-TR Diagnostic Criteria For Gender Identity Disorder


A. A strong and persistent cross-gender identification (not merely a desire for any perceived cultural advantages of being the other sex). In children, the disturbance is manifested by four (or more) of the following:

1.
repeatedly stated desire to be, or insistence that he or she is, the other sex
2.
in boys, preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; in girls, insistence on wearing only stereotypical masculine clothing
3.
strong and persistent preferences for cross-sex roles in make-believe play or persistent fantasies of being the other sex
4.
intense desire to participate in the stereotypical games and pastimes of the other sex
5.
strong preference for playmates of the other sex


B. Persistent discomfort with his or her sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.
C. The disturbance is not concurrent with a physical intersex condition.
D. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
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You found one of the sources that labels it a disorder so they can get insurance companies to pay for reassignment.

There is quite a bit of debate about whether or not Gender dysphoria should be labeled a disorder, but just because you are a gender nonconformist does not mean you have gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria requires that you are distressed. So again, I think it's hateful to say someone has a mental disorder, when we don't know if they do or not.
 
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