Clowney vs White

Clowney vs White

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#51
#51
The whole NCAA football 14 putting Clowney as a 99 an Reggie as a 97 was a joke... Lol
 
#54
#54
VKAman said:
That's true. Being a Heisman contender as a sophomore makes him better.
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I can agree with it being up for debate but not sure the heisman really proves anything. That would make someone like Woodson the greatest DB to ever play college ball
 
#55
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utvolpj said:
I can agree with it being up for debate but not sure the heisman really proves anything. That would make someone like Woodson the greatest DB to ever play college ball
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Well, considering that's exactly where ESPN ranked him in 2007, I'm not sure what your point is.
 
#57
#57
If RW would have played in this era, he would have won the Heisman. Clowney couldn't hold The Minister of Defense jock.
 
#59
#59
VKAman said:
Well, considering that's exactly where ESPN ranked him in 2007, I'm not sure what your point is.
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Of course they did. They had to

RichRollin said:
I don't know. Why don't you tell us.
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so you think RW was being discussed as one of the greatest DL ever after his soph year? He wasn't even all-SEC until his senior year.

there is a debate if you're comparing them at the same point in their career. If you choose to compare JC to a RW who had played multiple seasons in the NFL then there isn't. However I don't see how that comparison is even relevant
 
#61
#61
If Clowney records 100 tackles and 15 sacks in a season, then I'll happily engage in this debate.
 
#65
#65
utvolpj said:
he won't have a Sr year to get this done
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Irrelevant. White missed most of his junior year. You wanted to compare who had the best college career.

If he can get 100 tackles and 15 sacks in one year (which was one game shorter back then), we will have the conversation.

But this kid is nowhere near the level of White. White was probably the quickest and most powerful 300lber to play the game.

He's second all time in NFL career sacks, despite playing a ton of snaps a lt DT.
 
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utvolpj said:
he won't have a Sr year to get this done
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If he did have a senior year he probably wouldn't. Eleven game regular season with 100 tackles and 15 sacks. I think it is pretty safe to say that Clowney will have a better junior year than Reggie.
 
#67
#67
UTFanForLife said:
If you are being talked about as the greatest of all time, he shouldn't need a Sr year to get those numbers.
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well those were Reggie's senior numbers so....

Vol8188 said:
Irrelevant. White missed most of his junior year. You wanted to compare who had the best college career.

If he can get 100 tackles and 15 sacks in one year (which was one game shorter back then), we will have the conversation.

But this kid is nowhere near the level of White. White was probably the quickest and most powerful 300lber to play the game.

He's second all time in NFL career sacks, despite playing a ton of snaps a lt DT.
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he's played 2 seasons and Reggie got 4. All I'm saying is compare them at the same levels instead of being so quick to claim RW's performance in the NFL ends all debate
 
#68
#68
Vol8188 said:
Irrelevant. White missed most of his junior year. You wanted to compare who had the best college career.

If he can get 100 tackles and 15 sacks in one year (which was one game shorter back then), we will have the conversation.

But this kid is nowhere near the level of White. White was probably the quickest and most powerful 300lber to play the game.

He's second all time in NFL career sacks, despite playing a ton of snaps a lt DT.
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He had nearly 30 sacks in two seasons while with the USFL and is still less than two sacks behind Bruce Smith. He is the best defensive lineman to ever play the game and arguably the best defensive player to ever play with only LT in the debate.
 
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#69
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utvolpj said:
well those were Reggie's senior numbers so....



he's played 2 seasons and Reggie got 4. All I'm saying is compare them at the same levels instead of being so quick to claim RW's performance in the NFL ends all debate
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Johnny Manziel has had one season at Texas A&m. Is he the greatest QB of all time?
 
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#70
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utvolpj said:
well those were Reggie's senior numbers so....



he's played 2 seasons and Reggie got 4. All I'm saying is compare them at the same levels instead of being so quick to claim RW's performance in the NFL ends all debate
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Reggie's NFL career really does end all debate. I love Clowney and think he is an absolute phenom but Reggie's combination of size, power and quickness is very unique. There was no way to defend him. He could get to the QB with the bull rush, speed rush and also the signature "hump" move where he would lift and toss 330 lb men out of his way with one arm.
 
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#71
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thebjd said:
Reggie's NFL career really does end all debate. I love Clowney and think he is an absolute phenom but Reggie's combination of size, power and quickness is very unique. There was no way to defend him. He could get to the QB with the bull rush, speed rush and also the signature "hump" move where he would lift and toss 330 lb men out of his way with one arm.
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you only present one side and declare a winner?
 
#73
#73
Again, just like Chuck Webb and Carl Pickens, Reggie White did not play his freshman year.

I understand that Webb and Pickens played as redshirt freshmen, but the redshirt was not available when White played. There were many, especially me, who could not figure why Pickens and Webb did not play in the abysmal 88 season. Majors simply refused to play freshmen.

So comparing year to year stats, it would have to be freshman to sophomore, since White had no freshman stats. Comparing their first two years, keeping in mind that White played tackle and Clowney at end, White had 56 more tackles (146 -90) and 5 less sacks (17-21). If Clowney can have 100 tackles and 15 sacks this year like White did, then we can talk.

The fact that AJ Johnson led the SEC in tackles with 138 and Reggie White had 100 tackles his last year (third year) as a defensive tackle tells you how dominant Reggie was.
 
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#74
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Pump Guy said:
Again, just like Chuck Webb and Carl Pickens, Reggie White did not play his freshman year.

I understand that Webb and Pickens played as redshirt freshmen, but the redshirt was not available when White played. There were many, especially me, who could not figure why Pickens and Webb did not play in the abysmal 88 season. Majors simply refused to play freshmen.

So comparing year to year stats, it would have to be freshman to sophomore, since White had no freshman stats. Comparing their first two years, keeping in mind that White played tackle and Clowney at end, White had 56 more tackles (146 -90) and 5 less sacks (17-21). If Clowney can have 100 tackles and 15 sacks this year like White did, then we can talk.

The fact that AJ Johnson led the SEC in tackles with 138 and Reggie White had 100 tackles his last year (third year) as a defensive tackle tells you how dominant Reggie was.
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Reggie played 4 seasons
 
#75
#75
VKAman said:
Great point. It makes so much sense that a guy who didn't even get a vote would win the award facing even better athletes.
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My point was, every game is televised. Had White played in the internet era, his legend would have included his college years (for the rest of planet Earth) not just NFL.
 
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