DC Black Hawk vs Plane crash, Philly Crash. Malicious, or incompotence?

[gcbvol]

I’d say Duffy will be the Sec of Transportation that Peter was hoping to be. But good to see you protect Peter and deflect, we know the teams now. Had Peter done his job Duffy wouldn’t have to do it for him now.

LOL! Rich you calling me the deflector. That's all you've done.

 

[gcbvol]

I don't have strong feelings towards him one way or the other, but what I don't understand is that if your primary argument against him is that he wasn't qualified to be in the position, then I don't know how you can honestly support Sean Duffy being the person to replace him, other than saying "well it was my guy that picked him".

He doesn't have better qualifications than Pete, but he was on reality television.

 

[Grand Vol]

Thank you for admitting he's not some terrible anomaly, and did some positive things in this space. I just don't understand why for him the good is dismissed and it's an immediate pivot to a harsh critique. It's like he's held to a higher standard, and that's probably on him and his visibility. It's crazy, though.

Because I'm objective about it and I don't have a dog in the fight... but I also look at the layers involved in the situation. One good component of the disaster does not make it a success overall.

While sadly, you aren't objective about it. I get the fact Pete is what many in your community should and do aspire to become.

But so is Rich Grenell...

Or Scott Bessent...

Or Scott Pressler who pretty much single handedly delivered Pennsylvania to Trump... that man went into conservative Amish country and got out the vote in huge numbers. Now, I'll give you a pass here since he's not well known outside of conservative channels. But everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, wants Scott Pressler working their campaign. Dude is a machine.

See what I did there? How much media attention have they received? Especially Grenell who predates Pete in high profile government service by several years.

And you want to accuse me of tribalism? Or barely veiling the comment you want to throw off "you don't like him because he's gay."

Because I don't care who he closes the bedroom door with at night. I do care about the long term impacts on our country.

Now, which one is worse? The gay man called out on ineffective leadership by the opposing party? Or the gay men rarely given credit by the opposing party? Because this is what your outrage boils down to. Lifestyle choices. And I haven't seen you say one single word about Bessent or Grenell. Again, you get a pass on Pressler, but I'd be surprised if you haven't come across his name before.

Now, you and I both know the media absolutely fawned over Pete while barely covering Grenell's accomplishments at all. Or Pressler. Barely acknowledged Bessent. Is that fair for the gay community to be ignored because they happen to have an (R) behind their name? Shouldn't all be held up in esteem and for someone to strive to be? Regardless of party?

Do you really want to continue on this "tribalism" path?

 

[gcbvol]

Because I'm objective about it and I don't have a dog in the fight... but I also look at the layers involved in the situation. One good component of the disaster does not make it a success overall.

While sadly, you aren't objective about it. I get the fact Pete is what many in your community should and do aspire to become.

But so is Rich Grenell...

Or Scott Bessent...

Or Scott Pressler who pretty much single handedly delivered Pennsylvania to Trump... that man went into conservative Amish country and got out the vote in huge numbers. Now, I'll give you a pass here since he's not well known outside of conservative channels. But everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, wants Scott Pressler working their campaign. Dude is a machine.

See what I did there? How much media attention have they received? Especially Grenell who predates Pete in high profile government service by several years.

And you want to accuse me of tribalism? Or barely veiling the comment you want to throw off "you don't like him because he's gay."

Because I don't care who he closes the bedroom door with at night. I do care about the long term impacts on our country.

Now, which one is worse? The gay man called out on ineffective leadership by the opposing party? Or the gay men rarely given credit by the opposing party? Because this is what your outrage boils down to. Lifestyle choices. And I haven't seen you say one single word about Bessent or Grenell. Again, you get a pass on Pressler, but I'd be surprised if you haven't come across his name before.

Now, you and I both know the media absolutely fawned over Pete while barely covering Grenell's accomplishments at all. Or Pressler. Barely acknowledged Bessent. Is that fair for the gay community to be ignored because they happen to have an (R) behind their name? Shouldn't all be held up in esteem and for someone to strive to be? Regardless of party?

Do you really want to continue on this "tribalism" path?

Oh, please. I'm way more objective than are you on this topic. You've shown in this very thread you'll blame him for issues completely out of his control without knowing the details. Just because he's not on your team.

Why do you feel the need to attack me any time I dare defend him or offer additional context to attacks on him? I've seen nasty, homophonic attacks on him in this forum for years, but never a perpetuates from you in defense. But heaven forbid I post about him. I see exactly what's going on.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

FAA Academy In Oklahoma Struggled To Fill Classrooms Due To DEI Quotas, Sen. Mullin Says​

The senator said that hiring based on DEI is 'a huge problem moving forward for us'​

Sen. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., told "Fox News Live" Saturday that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Academy in Oklahoma has struggled to fill classrooms due to DEI quotas.

"Where the FAA air traffic controllers get trained is right here inside of Oklahoma, in Oklahoma City," Mullin said. "That's their training hub and I will tell you we were having a hard time filling the classes because of DEI."

Mullin argued that DEI may have played a role in the lack of safety preparedness, especially following the crash outside Reagan National Airport. He said that focusing on hiring "the best and brightest individuals" is a far more dependable strategy than focusing on "diversity, equity and inclusion" policies.

At the FAA academy in Oklahoma City, DEI policies resulted in classes not being used to capacity to fulfill DEI quotas, Mullin said.

"Instead of these classes being 100% full, we were at 80% or 70%, and it wasn't from the lack of individuals applying for it except for each class had a ratio that they had to have on it," the senator said.

FAA Academy in Oklahoma struggled to fill classrooms due to DEI quotas, Sen. Mullin says

Sen. Markwayne Mullin told “Fox News Live" that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Academy in Oklahoma struggled due to DEI quotas.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Grand Vol]

@Grand Vol see 79's post above. The increased staffing quotas are outside Pete's scope.

Again, I'm not absolving him, but some of the stuff attributed to him is inaccurate.

Please show me where Pete got in front of a House or Senate committee and said "here's the problem, here's the solution and if you don't do it, here's what going to happen within X years. Now give me my money to increase training, facilities and manpower or planes are going to start dropping out of the sky..."

The FAA Director briefing a subcommittee is one thing. A full Secretary outlining the really bad things that will happen if the problems aren't solved is another. Then he can say "look, I did all I could do and Congress refused to fund it."

There is and had been no accountability on anyone's part.

 

[Majors]

LOL! Rich you calling me the deflector. That's all you've done.

Really, I asked you point me to where the deaths under Chaos watch happened. You couldn’t do it. You boasted Peters increase in numbers but didn’t mention Covid layoffs. They should have went up. Prosthetic Boob Pete failed his position and it played part in the events. Regardless of how the ATC doing the job of two handled it.

 

[Grand Vol]

Oh, please. I'm way more objective than are you on this topic.

Not really...

Want to fill me in on Richard Grenell's accomplishments? Or what he just did in Venezuela?

 

[gcbvol]

Really, I asked you point me to where the deaths under Chaos watch happened. You couldn’t do it. You boasted Peters increase in numbers but didn’t mention Covid layoffs. They should have went up. Prosthetic Boob Pete failed his position and it played part in the events. Regardless of how the ATC doing the job of two handled it.

What deaths happened under Pete's watch?

 

[gcbvol]

Not really...

Want to fill me in on Richard Grenell's accomplishments? Or what he just did in Venezuela?

Have I ever mentioned Grenell? I'm generally ambivalent about him.

 

[gcbvol]

Really, I asked you point me to where the deaths under Chaos watch happened. You couldn’t do it. You boasted Peters increase in numbers but didn’t mention Covid layoffs. They should have went up. Prosthetic Boob Pete failed his position and it played part in the events. Regardless of how the ATC doing the job of two handled it.

If you're going to talk about staffing, Chao is more responsible than Pete. Period. No deaths occurred on either of their watches, though.

 

[Grand Vol]

Have I ever mentioned Grenell? I'm generally ambivalent about him.

Did you read the whole post?

 

[Majors]

What deaths happened under Pete's watch?

No, the lack of filling the positions are questionable. But you knew that. It’s not that hard to understand. Had he did his job he’s not in question. So if we want to throw out who inherited a mess you may want to revisit your approach.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I don't get the flight training part. Plenty of places in the area where you can avoid landing and departing aircraft. In the air force you'd have two gunners scanning for objects when you navigate in urban areas or hell an area with power lines or trees..

Id be willing to bet they'll never have night training there again..

You may be right about this, but it seems Washington, DC provides a unique training environment for the very sort of mission for this aviation unit. Namely, ferrying V.I.P.s around the center of government any time of day, including night.

Haven't said much on this thread because it has been a sh#tstorm of posts, but will say this:

I seriously doubt we have a SINGLE CAUSE for this accident. I think most everyone familiar with US aviation understands that the ATC system and PIC are, in essence, a redundant safety system of humans. In this case, both failed. There may be contributing factors, and DEI hiring practices MAY be one of them.

I really wish Trump had stayed away from the politics of it while bodies are still being dragged out of the river. He is in a unique position to turn the country in a different direction and, while some supporters will back him regardless and his enemies (looking at LG, EL, Luther and gang) would not accept him if he walked on water, jumping to this and spending five minutes ranting about how ineffective Mayor Pete is a waste of political capital.

 

[gcbvol]

No, the lack of filling the positions are questionable. But you knew that. It’s not that hard to understand. Had he did his job he’s not in question. So if we want to throw out who inherited a mess you may want to revisit your approach.

He stopped the years long decline under his watch. You're putting the failures of the last 2+ administrations on him, while he's the only one who did anything about it. Plus, he's no longer in office! How does your mind work?

 

[gcbvol]

And you want to accuse me of tribalism? Or barely veiling the comment you want to throw off "you don't like him because he's gay.gayi

I know you're not anywhere close to homophobic. My point is many here are, and they can say horrible things and lie about him yet no one feels compelled to check it. However, I defend him and am soundly attacked most every time. Why is that?

ETA - Grenell bringing the hostages home is big time. He deserves a lot of credit for it.

I also want to make clear my like of PB is not due to sexuality. There's a lot I like about him, orientation is just a bonus. I value character and intelligence way more than intimate personal attributes.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I know you're not anywhere close to homophobic. My point is many here are, and they can say horrible things and lie about him yet no one feels compelled to check it. However, I defend him and am soundly attacked most every time. Why is that?

Not that what I think matters, because it doesn't...but this is a good post. GV isnt at all a homophobe and you acknowledging that is good. Theres some really garbage posts on this forum sometimes towards gay folks, and you handle that situation with grace and honor. Much respect.

 

[gcbvol]

Not that what I think matters, because it doesn't...but this is a good post. GV isnt at all a homophobe and you acknowledging that is good. Theres some really garbage posts on this forum sometimes towards gay folks, and you handle that situation with grace and honor. Much respect.

You're good people, Marcus.

I'm the DEI in this place, so I'll ride until purged.

 

[GroverCleveland]

You're good people, Marcus.

I'm the DEI in this place, so I'll ride until purged.

Why would you be purged?

 

[gcbvol]

Why would you be purged?

It was a tongue in cheek reference to the current effort to purge DEI.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

FAA Academy In Oklahoma Struggled To Fill Classrooms Due To DEI Quotas, Sen. Mullin Says​

The senator said that hiring based on DEI is 'a huge problem moving forward for us'​

Sen. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., told "Fox News Live" Saturday that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Academy in Oklahoma has struggled to fill classrooms due to DEI quotas.

"Where the FAA air traffic controllers get trained is right here inside of Oklahoma, in Oklahoma City," Mullin said. "That's their training hub and I will tell you we were having a hard time filling the classes because of DEI."

Mullin argued that DEI may have played a role in the lack of safety preparedness, especially following the crash outside Reagan National Airport. He said that focusing on hiring "the best and brightest individuals" is a far more dependable strategy than focusing on "diversity, equity and inclusion" policies.

At the FAA academy in Oklahoma City, DEI policies resulted in classes not being used to capacity to fulfill DEI quotas, Mullin said.

"Instead of these classes being 100% full, we were at 80% or 70%, and it wasn't from the lack of individuals applying for it except for each class had a ratio that they had to have on it," the senator said.

FAA Academy in Oklahoma struggled to fill classrooms due to DEI quotas, Sen. Mullin says

Sen. Markwayne Mullin told “Fox News Live" that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Academy in Oklahoma struggled due to DEI quotas.

www.foxnews.com

I don't know if it was this interview or someone else that said there was a candidate that finished with a 100% score on his tests but was not hired because he was a white male.

 

[hog88]

Not that what I think matters, because it doesn't...but this is a good post. GV isnt at all a homophobe and you acknowledging that is good. Theres some really garbage posts on this forum sometimes towards gay folks, and you handle that situation with grace and honor. Much respect.

GV is a racist homophobic chauvinist pig who hates puppies and kittens. Don’t fall of his schtick.

 

[Grand Vol]

I know you're not anywhere close to homophobic. My point is many here are, and they can say horrible things and lie about him yet no one feels compelled to check it. However, I defend him and am soundly attacked most every time. Why is that?

Maybe because he's not as good as you think he is? Okay, he wasn't a complete disaster, but he's not much better than "lackluster" in any objective grading.

And as I said before, the bar was petty low in that seat. Nobody has excelled.

 

[CobbVol]

Yep. It's the craziest thing how much Pete is hated around here. Posters can make crude comments about him personally, tell outright lies, and nothing but kudos. But you dare say anything in defense or try to clarify and they pounce all over you.

Being in the rail industry, he was pretty much non-existent regarding the East Palestine train derailment. It took him a month just to visit the site.

 

[Grand Vol]

GV is a racist homophobic chauvinist pig who hates puppies and kittens. Don’t fall of his schtick.

I also hate BBQ, Hank Williams Jr and Dale Earnhardt.