Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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whodeycin85 said:
The thing that's most interesting is the when Elon tweets out some claim...not only is his DOGE team investigating it, but it also basically make thousands of not millions aware of the spending...then in an effort to discredit Elon they research and audit it as much as possible...so in essence by making these outlandish claims he is keeping the conversation going 1 and 2 getting people to look in depth into the spending that for years has been ignored...either way he is generating eyes on the waste, abuse and fraud spending of the government..and shining a big light on it....and idiots that wanna prove him wrong are helping without realizing what they are doing...because the Everyman doesn't care if he is wrong about a line item for 8 million or 8 billion..they are pissed cuz is was taxpayer money wasted

.and it's even worse when the argument is "this was found in 2023" because nothing was done and no one shared the waste..
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Yeah. I'm confused as to why anyone is upset as a generalization.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The thing that's most interesting is the when Elon tweets out some claim...not only is his DOGE team investigating it, but it also basically make thousands of not millions aware of the spending...then in an effort to discredit Elon they research and audit it as much as possible...so in essence by making these outlandish claims he is keeping the conversation going 1 and 2 getting people to look in depth into the spending that for years has been ignored...either way he is generating eyes on the waste, abuse and fraud spending of the government..and shining a big light on it....and idiots that wanna prove him wrong are helping without realizing what they are doing...because the Everyman doesn't care if he is wrong about a line item for 8 million or 8 billion..they are pissed cuz is was taxpayer money wasted

.and it's even worse when the argument is "this was found in 2023" because nothing was done and no one shared the waste..
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Well morons like nashvol11 don't seem to care. I guess you still have some detractors.
 
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It's crazy to me that people here complain about govt waste being found. It's been going on for decades and we're now actually seeing some of it. Doesn't matter whether it's $8 mil, $8 bil, or whatever. I'll take any amount saved when we're over $30 trillion in debt. We should all be able to agree that ANY amount of waste is unacceptable. Yet, here we are....
 
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Vol since 77 said:
It's crazy to me that people here complain about govt waste being found. It's been going on for decades and we're now actually seeing some of it. Doesn't matter whether it's $8 mil, $8 bil, or whatever. I'll take any amount saved when we're over $30 trillion in debt. We should all be able to agree that ANY amount of waste is unacceptable. Yet, here we are....
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Of course some waste is acceptable. That's an impossible standard. Trying for no waste is probably even counterproductive. If my company's priority was to eliminate all waste, we'd never get anything done.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
It's crazy to me that people here complain about govt waste being found. It's been going on for decades and we're now actually seeing some of it. Doesn't matter whether it's $8 mil, $8 bil, or whatever. I'll take any amount saved when we're over $30 trillion in debt. We should all be able to agree that ANY amount of waste is unacceptable. Yet, here we are....
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the few errors of Doge, which btw is executing at an extreme pace, seems to override the countless wasteful, at minimum, spending…I suppose they could hire professional audit teams, that would cost a fortune and take years to resolve, at which point would end up forgotten and worthless.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course some waste is acceptable. That's an impossible standard. Trying for no waste is probably even counterproductive. If my company's priority was to eliminate all waste, we'd never get anything done.
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If you are aware of huge amounts of waste which can be eliminated quickly and have an instant ROI than it would be stupid not to do it in most business environments. There are situations where waste is a part of the business, meaning business will ignore the waste as an important item to quickly grow. Many startups which are very well funded will barely even address waste as they are focused on growth.... eventually the growth disappears and they have to squeeze to get margin.... cut waste.

Government isn't about massive growth and a priority should almost always be to get maximum value. Which is why federal agencies generally have fraud, waste and abuse programs.

It is true that some waste will always occur, we're human and not perfect, but the goal should be as least as possible.

My rough guess is about 40% of the federal government could be eliminated with very little impact to services, but this isn't across the board... meaning some agencies don't even need to exist.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Doesn't about half of that go to NATO? And last I heard, none of those member nations are paying 'their fair share'. There is some good cut right there. Let's go back to member average for NATO.
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No. People on the internet will repeat any dumb thing.

NATO is really just an umbrella, but like any government-like agency, they still manage to burn some cash even though they don't really have to do anything much. Their entire budget is $[edit 4.5] Billion. That is still a lot, but posts that they could somehow blow through a trillion dollars were just really really really stupid. The USA pays a little bit of the 4.5 billion. We could complain and pay less, maybe, but again, it's not a needle-mover.

What NATO needs to be NATO is couch money compared to what the USA needs to out-military the whole rest of the world. Fortunately for us, we are the most productive nation on earth and we can still "be the USA" for 4% of GDP [actually I guess it's 3%]. NATO is a bargain for all the members for obvious reasons. The UK before WWI had this policy that they'd have a bigger Navy than whoever was #2 and #3 put together, and then they'd be okay. With NATO none of the members needs to do that. I hope this makes sense.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The person who can't spell "poll" and just did this same thing yesterday with "sure thing Huff" is convinced I'm wrong lol. Alright, explain why Elon "has to" call everything MASSIVE FRAUD!!!! before getting debunked
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If they do actually cut 100s of billions or even a trillion from the budget, semantics of what is/is not “massive fraud” will not be a winning argument for you. No one cares as long as the job is done.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If they do actually cut 100s of billions or even a trillion from the budget, semantics of what is/is not “massive fraud” will not be a winning argument for you. No one cares as long as the job is done.
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The fact that they've needed to lie to the public, massively inflate numbers at every turn and cry wolf about "fraud" every 3 hours should tell you something about whether they think they will honestly accomplish this.

Fraud is also not a "semantic", it's a crime
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course some waste is acceptable. That's an impossible standard. Trying for no waste is probably even counterproductive. If my company's priority was to eliminate all waste, we'd never get anything done.
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No. Some strive for excellence and some settle for whatever, like yourself. Never said it was achievable, just that we should strive for NO waste.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The fact that they've needed to lie to the public, massively inflate numbers at every turn and cry wolf about "fraud" every 3 hours should tell you something about whether they think they will honestly accomplish this.

Fraud is also not a "semantic", it's a crime
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If they achieve the goal I referenced, why would I worry myself about any of that?
 
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utvolpj said:
It absolutely does matter wrt credibility when you're taking victory laps with very bad data. The inability to accurately track what's going on is how we got here.
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Meh, that's BS semantics. I don't care who takes victory laps, gets credit, etc. I just want see major cuts across every fed dept. That's to be determined, but for the first time in history waste is being exposed and I applaud that effort.
 
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