Derek Chauvin trial

[Septic]

I have to agree with you on this point. He was bearing down with a lot of force otherwise why knee him?

Maybe he was hovering, like if you need to take a dump and the Chevron on an exit ramp off I-75 outside of Valdosta is the only thing open.

 

[Rickyvol77]

this may be a lie too. I feel pretty informed on the case and I haven't seen this anywhere. Also, the federal medical examiners, (Armed Forces MES) said there were "elements of asphyxiation", so it is untrue that "all other evidence supports OD"

Drug overdose is also a regular cause of asphyxiation

 

[Rickyvol77]

The same guy that posted this:

Also posted this:

And is serious. Lmao. The video is self explanatory.

He’s not a bright one lol

 

[Weezer]

I'm of the opinion that at the very least, Chauvin contributed to Floyd's death. The force was excessive when you consider the length of time Floyd was held in that position while repeatedly letting it be known that he couldn't breathe. I di think Floyd resisted because as I recall, he refused to get in the patrol car. Some level of restraint was needed. But I believe Chauvin went too far.

 

[volbeast33]

He absolutely refused to get into the police car. How can you say otherwise? That's not cooperating. That's resisting arrest.

Its

Everyone on the scene and the video evidence dispute that he was resisting.

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN

Video does not appear to show George Floyd resisting arrest

Surveillance video of the moments leading up to George Floyd being pinned under a policeman's knee shows that he didn't resist arrest

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest

Given that he had a "lethal dose of fentanyl" and was handcuffed - it would seem unnecessary to kneel on his neck for almost 10 minutes.

why does the media feel the need to spread a false narrative when he obviously refused to get in the patrol car?

 

[VolFreakJosh]

I'm of the opinion that at the very least, Chauvin contributed to Floyd's death. The force was excessive when you consider the length of time Floyd was held in that position while repeatedly letting it be known that he couldn't breathe. I di think Floyd resisted because as I recall, he refused to get in the patrol car. Some level of restraint was needed. But I believe Chauvin went too far.

This is where I’m at.

Floyd was no where near a saint and didn’t make the officers’ job any easier. However, purposely kneeling on his neck was too much.

With that being said, I’ll be shocked if he’s found guilty by the jury.

 

[Sea Ray]

This is where I’m at.

Floyd was no where near a saint and didn’t make the officers’ job any easier. However, purposely kneeling on his neck was too much.

With that being said, I’ll be shocked if he’s found guilty by the jury.

I've never heard of the Knee to the side of the neck thing but apparently that's exactly something they're trained to do. Perhaps he should have taken the knee off of his head when he became unresponsive but I didn't see any bad policing up to that point

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

So if but for the knee he would have lived?

100%

 

[hUTch2002]

I'm waiting for the evidence that says he would die no matter what the cops did because of the drugs. If that doesn't come in then the cop is guilty of murder.

No, you have it backwards. He’s presumed innocent. The prosecution has to prove he was killed by that officer beyond reasonable doubt. To me, there’s no way that’s possible with the amount of drugs in his system. There’s no way to know for sure that the drugs didn’t play a role in his death, thus reasonable doubt is established and the cop is not guilty. This really should be pretty simple no matter what anyone feels about what happened.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

No, you have it backwards. He’s presumed innocent. The prosecution has to prove he was killed by that officer beyond reasonable doubt. To me, there’s no way that’s possible with the amount of drugs in his system. There’s no way to know for sure that the drugs didn’t play a role in his death, thus reasonable doubt is established and the cop is not guilty. This really should be pretty simple no matter what anyone feels about what happened.

So if I get drunk one night, unarmed, see a cop and decide I want to try to fight him and he shoots and kills me is that is justified? I dont think it is. Lethal force like this officer used should only be used when his life is in danger, and it never was.

 

[Weezer]

So if I get drunk one night, unarmed, see a cop and decide I want to try to fight him and he shoots and kills me is that is justified? I dont think it is. Lethal force like this officer used should only be used when his life is in danger, and it never was.

Only Floyd wasn't shot, he was restrained after resisting arrest. Let's be clear, when he refused to go into the patrol car, he was actively resisting arrest. Now, the question becomes did Chauvin use excessive force to restrain him. My opinion, without hearing all the facts of the case and just going on what I've seen and heard, is yes, based on the amount of time he held Floyd in a stressor position. For that and that alone, I think Chauvin is responsible for contributing to his death. Now, did the drugs in his system or prior health conditions of which Chauvin could not have been aware also contribute? I have no idea. That's why they have medical experts testify. It's up to the jury to take all of that, try to make sense of it, and render a verdict. JMO, but the guy is guilty of manslaughter. Again, I haven't seen all the evidence so I'm just giving an opinion, but I believe the actions of both Chauvin and Floyd resulted in Floyd's death.

 

[hUTch2002]

So if I get drunk one night, unarmed, see a cop and decide I want to try to fight him and he shoots and kills me is that is justified? I dont think it is. Lethal force like this officer used should only be used when his life is in danger, and it never was.

That’s not even close to the same scenario. But if you attack a cop then yes there’s a chance you will get killed. If you don’t have a weapon it is less likely but what’s to stop you from taking the cop’s weapon? You say he used lethal force but the amount of drugs in Floyd’s system is enough to cast at least some doubt about what actually killed Floyd. All the defense has to do is put those MEs on the stand and ask them, “is there any chance at all that Floyd died as a result of the drugs in his system?” When they say, “yes that is possible” this case is over. I’m not saying Chauvin did or didn’t do anything wrong because it doesn’t really matter the way our legal system is set up. Since the bar is beyond reasonable doubt and given the huge amount of drugs Floyd ingested when he saw the cops there is absolutely reasonable doubt here. It should be that black and white, no pun intended. Remember, Floyd was saying he couldn’t breathe before he ever went to the ground. That would be true if he was starting to OD.

 

[volbeast33]

100%

That’s not true

 

[Rickyvol77]

So if I get drunk one night, unarmed, see a cop and decide I want to try to fight him and he shoots and kills me is that is justified? I dont think it is. Lethal force like this officer used should only be used when his life is in danger, and it never was.

The officer didn’t use “lethal force”

 

[Vol737]

So if I get drunk one night, unarmed, see a cop and decide I want to try to fight him and he shoots and kills me is that is justified? I dont think it is. Lethal force like this officer used should only be used when his life is in danger, and it never was.

Unless he’s 5’8”, 155 lbs and you’re 6”5”, 260 lbs. You don’t have to have a weapon to be considered a threat to someone’s life. Michael Brown comes to mind.

 

[Septic]

The officer didn’t use “lethal force”

BOTH autopsy's disagree, doctor.

 

[volbeast33]

Maybe he was hovering, like if you need to take a dump and the Chevron on an exit ramp off I-75 outside of Valdosta is the only thing open.

I put my knee into the back of my sons all the time when wrestling with them...... there is a big difference between a knee used to control someone and applying my full weight and breaking their ribs or something similar.

 

[volbeast33]

BOTH autopsy's disagree, doctor.

The one autopsy stated it did not cause acute asphyxiation

 

[Septic]

I put my knee into the back of my sons all the time when wrestling with them...... there is a big difference between a knee used to control someone and applying my full weight and breaking their ribs or something similar.

put your knee into your sons neck for ten minutes while he screams for his mother and slips out of consciousness. Be sure to keep your knee there for three and half minutes after he loses consciousness. Also be sure to ignore please from everyone telling you he's no longer breathing.

And when it turns out that everyone was right and your son is dead please report back on how it wasn't your fault.

 

[OL SMOKEY]

put your knee into your sons neck for ten minutes while he screams for his mother and slips out of consciousness. Be sure to keep your knee there for three and half minutes after he loses consciousness. Also be sure to ignore please from everyone telling you he's no longer breathing.

And when it turns out that everyone was right and your son is dead please report back on how it wasn't your fault.

Should he get his son to ingest a ton of illegal drugs before this takes place also????

 

[Septic]

Should he get his son to ingest a ton of illegal drugs before this takes place also????

Either way. But that's really nothing more than deflection and again as stated by both autopsy's - compression of the neck is what caused Floyd's demise.

What you police bootlickers seem to keep trying to distract from is that Floyd isn't on trial, Chauvin is.

Victim blaming in the face of video evidence documenting a nearly 10 minute knee on the neck of a man clearly in medical distress is bewildering.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

100%

Prove it

 

[OL SMOKEY]

Either way. But that's really nothing more than deflection and again as stated by both autopsy's - compression of the neck is what caused Floyd's demise.

What you police bootlickers seem to keep trying to distract from is that Floyd isn't on trial, Chauvin is.

Victim blaming in the face of video evidence documenting a nearly 10 minute knee on the neck of a man clearly in medical distress is bewildering.

So your stating that the drugs had nothing to do with his death? It was just the knee to Floyd’s neck? Secondly, I am far from a police bootlicker as you stated. I’ll wait to hear all the evidence presented from both sides.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So if I get drunk one night, unarmed, see a cop and decide I want to try to fight him and he shoots and kills me is that is justified? I dont think it is. Lethal force like this officer used should only be used when his life is in danger, and it never was.

Are you a police officer? Have you went through law enforcement training? Have you ever been out in a situation like the Floyd situation? If the answers to those questions is no, then your opinions mean zip.

 

[KB5252]

100%

How do you get there? He would have magically reversed the terminal effects of an OD?