Derek Chauvin trial

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Septic said:
Autopsy Report Numero 1
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Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Manner of death: Homicide How injury occurred: Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)

You can keep repeating that he wasn't choked out till you're blue in the face but the evidence through the experts who actually performed the autopsies disagree with your armchair assessment.

The only difference in this report from the county coroner is that he concluded that the manner of death was asphyxiation and not cardiopulmonary arrest.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem
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Based on what though? The video or the autopsy, both? The evidence I've seen establishes reasonable doubt, even cited in the ME's report.

I'm basing my argument on the facts I've seen and making the reasonable doubt case. The ME's report itself establishes reasonable doubt.
 
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Tastylicks said:
You seem to have your mind made up. My post was based on the Armed Forces medical examiners report, hence why I cited it in my post
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Like I've said, my mind can change, it already has. I started this thinking manslaughter/outside shot at lower murder charge. That was before the prosecution released the toxicology.
 
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KB5252 said:
Based on what though? The video or the autopsy, both? The evidence I've seen establishes reasonable doubt, even cited in the ME's report.

I'm basing my argument on the facts I've seen and making the reasonable doubt case. The ME's report itself establishes reasonable doubt.
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Nah. It will be the two reports that do Chauvin in along with video, expert eyewitnesses and common sense. You repeating the same tired interweb bullet points isn't doing anything but making you look silly.
 
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KB5252 said:
Based on what though? The video or the autopsy, both? The evidence I've seen establishes reasonable doubt, even cited in the ME's report.

I'm basing my argument on the facts I've seen and making the reasonable doubt case. The ME's report itself establishes reasonable doubt.
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Why did he have to be restained? Answer: because he was resisting arrest and not cooperating.
 
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Septic said:
Jesus christ are you being paid to be obtuse, because some one is getting a sold days work out of you? There's literally video of Floyd with the external mechanism and it's knee on his neck.

Take a lap dude.

You guys can think Floyd had it coming, was a pile of dog sh*t and put himself in this position AND ALSO acknowledge that the cop was the one that ultimately was the direct cause of his demise.
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There's also a ME's toxicology report that states emphatically a lethal dose of Fentanyl x3 was ingested. That would also explain the heart failure/asphyxia. The knee to the neck could be deadly if all the weight were exerted there but video shows weight on the knee on his back. It's easily argued that the knee on his neck was for restraint, not the full force of his weight.

If there is other physical evidence that the officer did suffocate him in sure it will come out. But as of now it appears just a likely, if not more likely. Two things, one is possible the other is indisputable, I will concede it is possible the officer did kill him, it is indisputable though that Floyd had injested a fatal dose of Fentanyl.

Is it possible Floyd was murdered, yes? Is it equally possible if not more possible he died of an overdose? Yes.

Reasonable doubt, unless more evidence comes to light.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Why did he have to be restained? Answer: because he was resisting arrest and not cooperating.
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Everyone on the scene and the video evidence dispute that he was resisting.

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN

Video does not appear to show George Floyd resisting arrest

Surveillance video of the moments leading up to George Floyd being pinned under a policeman's knee shows that he didn't resist arrest

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest

Given that he had a "lethal dose of fentanyl" and was handcuffed - it would seem unnecessary to kneel on his neck for almost 10 minutes.
 
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GF clearly resisted being placed in the car and after just watching a body cam video, is totally out of control. The only question is can the prosecution/ME prove whether DC’s knee on his neck “caused” his death or did it exacerbate/contribute to an already deteriorating physiological condition due to substances in the body? If I were a juror, I would have to know the delineation between a 3rd degree murder conviction and a manslaughter conviction. Seems like the lines a blurred. The guy on the sidewalk pointing out GF was unresponsive and the cops didn’t quickly address his situation was a very bad look.
 
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Septic said:
Everyone on the scene and the video evidence dispute that he was resisting.

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN

Video does not appear to show George Floyd resisting arrest

Surveillance video of the moments leading up to George Floyd being pinned under a policeman's knee shows that he didn't resist arrest

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest

Given that he had a "lethal dose of fentanyl" and was handcuffed - it would seem unnecessary to kneel on his neck for almost 10 minutes.
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The kneeling on the neck did not show the cop putting force on him. When Floyd's head raised up so did the cops knee. Floyd was able to move his head. If there was a great of pressure to the next floyd couldn't move.

People are assuming but No one know how much pressure he really had on his neck. He also followed protocol and training.
 
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McDad said:
It's difficult to know with complete certainty what was wrong and what was right. Even something which might be right according to LEO SOP may not be right to me as a witness. My point from day one is once the person is restrained via cuffs (or whatever), it should not be necessary to keep your weight on his neck. He is restrained, other officers are within a few feet, the danger is essentially mitigated by then.
Floyd's health status, drug intake, heart attack, fluid on the lungs are complicating factors. Had the officers been aware of his health emergency the nearest hospital was 6 min away for a civilian in a car. A police car could have been there in 4 min +/-. Would that have saved George's life? Who knows. But it would have been a preferred course of action than kneeling on him until he expired.
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How do you know he had weight on his neck. You can have a knee on one's head or neck with very little pressure.
 
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Tastylicks said:
Outside of the job he worked security at the same nightclub as George Floyd.

complaints about his physical nature at that job exist too

'He choked me out': Others detail allegations of abuse by officer who knelt on George Floyd
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also think its pretty telling that his wife divorced him after the Floyd incident and said she sends her deepest sympathies to the Floyd family. Wouldn't be surprised if he was violent with her. that cop had issues
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I think you keep that narrative going with no supporting facts.
 
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Volgolfer1618 said:
The kneeling on the neck did not show the cop putting force on him. When Floyd's head raised up so did the cops knee. Floyd was able to move his head. If there was a great of pressure to the next floyd couldn't move.

People are assuming but No one know how much pressure he really had on his neck. He also followed protocol and training.
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No assumptions are necessary, the autopsy reports imply that "enough" pressure was exerted to kill him.

I don't get you police apologists. Even in the face of video evidence you lick their boots or is there something else?
 
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I think that police automatically charge anyone they arrest with resisting arrest because they can. So f the cops for being douche nozzels and liars to boot.
 
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So, in Minnesota..

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I can see this going to a lesser conviction of manslaughter. Did DC “know” he was unreasonably risking GF’s life with the knee on the neck? Idk. Flip a coin.
 
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Septic said:
No assumptions are necessary, the autopsy reports imply that "enough" pressure was exerted to kill him.

I don't get you police apologists. Even in the face of video evidence you lick their boots or is there something else?
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super weird. They are all against "big daddy government" but think the agents of said big daddy government are never in the wrong!
 
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Tastylicks said:
super weird. They are all against "big daddy government" but think the agents of said big daddy government are never in the wrong!
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A majority of these incidents occur in Democratically controlled cities who are in charge of their Police Departments. I do find it hard to imagine that a large number of agents from the Right manage to infiltrate all these places.
 
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Septic said:
Everyone on the scene and the video evidence dispute that he was resisting.

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN

Video does not appear to show George Floyd resisting arrest

Surveillance video of the moments leading up to George Floyd being pinned under a policeman's knee shows that he didn't resist arrest

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest

Given that he had a "lethal dose of fentanyl" and was handcuffed - it would seem unnecessary to kneel on his neck for almost 10 minutes.
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Didn’t he push back when they tried putting him in the car?
 
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The same guy that posted this:
Septic said:
Jesus christ are you being paid to be obtuse, because some one is getting a sold days work out of you? There's literally video of Floyd with the external mechanism and it's knee on his neck.

Take a lap dude.

You guys can think Floyd had it coming, was a pile of dog sh*t and put himself in this position AND ALSO acknowledge that the cop was the one that ultimately was the direct cause of his demise.
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Also posted this:
Septic said:
Everyone on the scene and the video evidence dispute that he was resisting.

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN

Video does not appear to show George Floyd resisting arrest

Surveillance video of the moments leading up to George Floyd being pinned under a policeman's knee shows that he didn't resist arrest

Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest

Given that he had a "lethal dose of fentanyl" and was handcuffed - it would seem unnecessary to kneel on his neck for almost 10 minutes.
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And is serious. Lmao. The video is self explanatory.
 
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