Derek Chauvin trial

[Tastylicks]

Justice means he deserves a fair trial decided by his peers. If they hang or if they acquit him, that's justice in our system

Well he's getting his free trial. I suspect he will be acquitted because cops always are. Our justice system has flaws, sadly.

 

[Tastylicks]

The problem is that you made up your mind without waiting for all of the evidence to be presented.

and you aren't?

 

[volbeast33]

and you aren't?

I haven’t made up my mind at all...... I stated if evidence shows he caused acute choking or asphyxiation then his guilty of murder..... if it doesn’t then he is innocent.

 

[Tastylicks]

I haven’t made up my mind at all...... I stated if evidence shows he caused acute choking or asphyxiation then his guilty of murder..... if it doesn’t then he is innocent.

You are lying. its okay tho hun

 

[volbeast33]

You are lying. its okay tho hun

Read all my posts..... I even disagreed with someone who thought chauvin was innocent......I personally don’t find Floyd or chauvin to be very likeable. It’s good to see you admit that you don’t care about the evidence though.

 

[Sea Ray]

What happened in 2019 is irrelevant to what happened that day and so is the civil settlement from the Minny PD for their mistakes.

The cop either killed Floyd that day or he didn't. Those other things are just cheap red herrings that make your argument look stupid

Let's keep this factual because it doesn't matter whether you or I think this is irrelevant. The fact is the judge thinks that it is relevant enough to allow parts of the video to be shown to jurors:

Some of Floyd's 2019 arrest evidence admissible in Chauvin trial, judge rules

Go tell him that this is just a red herring etc etc

 

[KB5252]

The prosecution is going to have to discredit the only two qualified people who examined the remains in order to establish the fentanyl killed him.

Agreed, but the ME's toxicology reports lay the groundwork for that. The ME's comments about if the video and other evidence were absent they would have ruled OD. This case hinges on that "other evidence". If it is the video alone then the defense can make a successful reasonable doubt argument. If there is other evidence that could complicate the defenses position.

 

[Tastylicks]

Read all my posts..... I even disagreed with someone who thought chauvin was innocent......I personally don’t find Floyd or chauvin to be very likeable. It’s good to see you admit that you don’t care about the evidence though.

You ignored video evidence and the autopsies. You ignored them both to provide an anecdote about a time when you wrestled with your son.

Furthermore, the trial is on TV every day, I haven't seen you bringing up witness testimonies or any of the evidence they are presenting in the trial.

so get off your soap box. Your mind is made up just as much as mine

 

[Sea Ray]

Well he's getting his free trial. I suspect he will be acquitted because cops always are. Our justice system has flaws, sadly.

Here's what's amazing:

This is not an open and shut case. This is not cold blooded murder where the cop is going to go away for the rest of his life. There are two sides to this and we'll see what a jury says.

I've asked several times and no one has been able to point out racism here. It's it amazing (or sad) that such a case has melted our country down to this point. It's led to everything from burning down cities to the Washington Football team losing their nickname.

I find this incredibly problematic and lay the blame primarily at the feet of the media but lame Americans accepting it is a major factor too. I wish there had been more fortitude on the part of reasonable and traditional Americans to fight this narrative that this case is the poster-child for a racist nation whose police regularly kill its minority citizens

 

[McDad]

If training has told him to do this, then I feel it's analogous to a taser killing someone. It's not intentional and based on the video, he wasn't applying unnatural pressure like digging into his neck so I don't think he was acting to kill him. He wasn't really reacting to Floyd but rather focused on the crowd nonchalantly. Perhaps different evidence surfaces but that hold should not restrict breathing on its own. It'll be interesting to follow to see the analysis of several experts on both sides. Glad I'm not on the jury.

No argument from me on your take. I have a different one but I understand how you're arriving at yours.
Questions of the "hold", sop, etc illustrate why I am not a good worker bee. I tend to ignore what management tells me to do and do what I think is best. Probably the main driver for me to be self employed for over 20 years.
Even if department training says that hold is acceptable and it is mandated to use, I can't imagine a scenario where I continue to subdue after restraints are in place. Especially when there are a few other LEOs around to assist. For me, seems like the best thing to do is restraint the person and put him in the car. I think that approach is superior for officer safety, less risk to suspect, and less antagonizing to the civilian bystanders.

 

[McDad]

Here's what's amazing:

This is not an open and shut case. This is not cold blooded murder where the cop is going to go away for the rest of his life. There are two sides to this and we'll see what a jury says.

I've asked several times and no one has been able to point out racism here. It's it amazing (or sad) that such a case has melted our country down to this point. It's led to everything from burning down cities to the Washington Football team losing their nickname.

I find this incredibly problematic and lay the blame primarily at the feet of the media but lame Americans accepting it is a major factor too. I wish there had been more fortitude on the part of reasonable and traditional Americans to fight this narrative that this case is the poster-child for a racist nation whose police regularly kill its minority citizens

Racism isn't on trial here. Racism is a part of the story and may play a role in the event. What purpose is served by continually asking to point out the racism?

 

[Tastylicks]

Here's what's amazing:

This is not an open and shut case. This is not cold blooded murder where the cop is going to go away for the rest of his life. There are two sides to this and we'll see what a jury says.

I've asked several times and no one has been able to point out racism here. It's it amazing (or sad) that such a case has melted our country down to this point. It's led to everything from burning down cities to the Washington Football team losing their nickname.

I find this incredibly problematic and lay the blame primarily at the feet of the media but lame Americans accepting it is a major factor too. I wish there had been more fortitude on the part of reasonable and traditional Americans to fight this narrative that this case is the poster-child for a racist nation whose police regularly kill its minority citizens

If we start seeing some justice with events like this I might be more inclined to accept your argument. But time and time again these cops get off

 

[Sea Ray]

If we start seeing some justice with events like this I might be more inclined to accept your argument. But time and time again these cops get off

Time and time again we see that the evidence tells us a different story than what the Press reports. Case in point:

Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri. The Press told us it was a "hands up don't shoot" situation but the evidence told us that he fought with the cop and tried to grab the cop's gun. If you do that, I got news for you: expect to get killed.

 

[RikidyBones]

No argument from me on your take. I have a different one but I understand how you're arriving at yours.
Questions of the "hold", sop, etc illustrate why I am not a good worker bee. I tend to ignore what management tells me to do and do what I think is best. Probably the main driver for me to be self employed for over 20 years.
Even if department training says that hold is acceptable and it is mandated to use, I can't imagine a scenario where I continue to subdue after restraints are in place. Especially when there are a few other LEOs around to assist. For me, seems like the best thing to do is restraint the person and put him in the car. I think that approach is superior for officer safety, less risk to suspect, and less antagonizing to the civilian bystanders.

I think it's clear the policy needs to be addressed and altered at the very least.

I don't disagree with you either. I'd be the same but with Chauvin being a training/mentor officer(I believe that was mentioned), he needs to stay the book and if the book says to do X, it wouldnt be a great idea to train to ignore it.

 

[Sea Ray]

Racism isn't on trial here. Racism is a part of the story and may play a role in the event. What purpose is served by continually asking to point out the racism?

Racism is not on trial here but it is what caused enormous damage to our country in the past year, due to this event. I agree it's a tangent issue to whether Chauvin should go to prison but as a country it's huge. If the evidence shows that this was a cop guilty of manslaughter but not racism, then we as a country have to have a conversation on how this event was portrayed by the media and the billions of dollars in damages that occurred from it. This would not be the story it is if George Floyd was white trash

 

[Tastylicks]

Time and time again we see that the evidence tells us a different story than what the Press reports. Case in point:

Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri. The Press told us it was a "hands up don't shoot" situation but the evidence told us that he fought with the cop and tried to grab the cop's gun. If you do that, I got news for you: expect to get killed.

And yet Philando Castile was shot in front of his kids just for exercising his 2nd Amendment rights and there was no justice.

Same state as Floyd FYI, which is why there will be no justice here.

 

[McDad]

Racism is not on trial here but it is what caused enormous damage to our country in the past year, due to this event. I agree it's a tangent issue to whether Chauvin should go to prison but as a country it's huge. If the evidence shows that this was a cop guilty of manslaughter but not racism, then we as a country have to have a conversation on how this event was portrayed by the media and the billions of dollars in damages that occurred from it. This would not be the story it is if George Floyd was white trash

A good explanation for your question and I appreciate the insight.

Here's where I differ: I don't blame racism for the enormous damage to our country just like I don't blame the firearm when there is a mass shooting. The blame goes straight to the people who committed to crimes (murder, destruction of property, et al).
There has been and continues to be a constant, chronic conversation about race in this country. That conversation will continue regardless of the outcome of the trial and whether racism is demonstrably proven as a factor or not.
The irony is the races are more harmonized and homogenized than ever. Violent crime is trending downward. The micro populations who are the most vocal, most ardent, and most active are also the most promoted by the media. I've chosen to ignore the media narrative and focus on what's in front of me...my relationships with others.

 

[Vol737]

Just read up on the jury members and their background. As I've said before, I think Chauvin at least gets a lesser manslaughter conviction. Looking at the background of these jurors, I'm inclined to think most will take all the evidence into consideration. Being such a high profile case, I certainly believe one or two come in with their mind already made up.

What we know about the jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial

 

[Septic]

Just read up on the jury members and their background. As I've said before, I think Chauvin at least gets a lesser manslaughter conviction. Looking at the background of these jurors, I'm inclined to think most will take all the evidence into consideration. Being such a high profile case, I certainly believe one or two come in with their mind already made up.

What we know about the jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial

Manslaughter (at the minimum), given the protections afforded by the badge is probably appropriate.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Just read up on the jury members and their background. As I've said before, I think Chauvin at least gets a lesser manslaughter conviction. Looking at the background of these jurors, I'm inclined to think most will take all the evidence into consideration. Being such a high profile case, I certainly believe one or two come in with their mind already made up.

What we know about the jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial

9 out of 14 are women and somebody expects them to reach a decision based on facts and logic? Clown world!

 

[Tastylicks]

Manslaughter (at the minimum), given the protections afforded by the badge is probably appropriate.

I dont understand how manslaughter is an option, let alone appropriate. The defense is solely arguing that Floyd died from a drug overdose, not from Chauvlin's knee, so it can't be murder. If you are to believe that, then how do you arrive at manslaughter?

seems to me, manslaughter is just the "compromise option." He's a dick, he should get something. But the law doesn't work that way. I think Chauvin walks free unfortunately

 

[Vol737]

And yet Philando Castile was shot in front of his kids just for exercising his 2nd Amendment rights and there was no justice.

Same state as Floyd FYI, which is why there will be no justice here.

I disagree. I do think Chauvin will serve time and will probably get the max, whatever charge they convict him on. The issue with the Philando Castile scenario is that once he said he had a firearm and the cop clearly stated to not reach for it, he reached. What he was reaching for I don't know, but once it is known that you have a firearm, you put your hands on that steering wheel and you do not move. Let the officer take it from there. It was a horribly sad situation and outcome, though.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

There will be peaceful protests more rioting, destruction, and looting regardless of the verdict. And not just in MinneSomalia. The only thing the verdict will affect is the scale of the lawlessness. Simple as that.

 

[Vol737]

I dont understand how manslaughter is an option, let alone appropriate. The defense is solely arguing that Floyd died from a drug overdose, not from Chauvlin's knee, so it can't be murder. If you are to believe that, then how do you arrive at manslaughter?

seems to me, manslaughter is just the "compromise option." He's a dick, he should get something. But the law doesn't work that way. I think Chauvin walks free unfortunately

Because manslaughter is one of the charges along with 3rd degree. The jury can drop it down to a manslaughter conviction. I posted the delineation between 3rd and manslaughter in a prior post. Minnesota is one of just a few states that has a 3rd degree murder charge and it more or less indicates intent to the extent that did Chauvin "know" the amount of pressure he was using could cause death. That's where I think things get blurred and that will be very difficult to determine.

Edit: LEO's chime in if I'm off here.

 

[Boca Vol]

9 out of 14 are women and somebody expects them to reach a decision based on facts and logic? Clown world!

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