Derek Chauvin trial

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Septic said:
I mean two medical experts have testified to it professionally. Not sure why they'd reverse their findings now.
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The one from the medical office said that they found no signs of acute asphyxiation or strangulation..... They said it was a combination of health condition, drugs, and being restrained by the police.
 
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Septic said:
Yeah well, feeling he will be and believing he should be aren't really the same.
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I don’t believe he should or shouldn’t be bc I have not heard the evidence..... too many people make up their minds based off emotion and leave that little part of the justice system out.
 
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I'm waiting for the evidence that says he would die no matter what the cops did because of the drugs. If that doesn't come in then the cop is guilty of murder.
 
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Tastylicks said:
So if the police don't come at all that fateful day, May 25th 2020, George Floyd just collapses and dies right there in the street on his own. thats what you think?
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Depends on when he took the drugs. If he took them before the officer came his fate was sealed, he was going to die of overdose unless he sought medical attention, the medical examiners findings back this up, toxicology establishes as much.

If he took it after the officer made contact then yes, he was going to die unless he got medical attention which was called for by the officers, they didn't get there in time.
 
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VolStrom said:
I'm waiting for the evidence that says he would die no matter what the cops did because of the drugs. If that doesn't come in then the cop is guilty of murder.
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I think the toxicology report establishes he was just short of 4 times the amount of Fentanyl that would be considered fatal. I'm sure there will be experts from both sides testify on this.
 
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KB5252 said:
Depends on when he took the drugs. If he took them before the officer came his fate was sealed, he was going to die of overdose unless he sought medical attention, the medical examiners findings back this up, toxicology establishes as much.

If he took it after the officer made contact then yes, he was going to die unless he got medical attention which was called for by the officers, they didn't get there in time.
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you are basically arguing that the whole knee on the neck thing is irrelevant and insignificant to the story. Am I wrong about that? or was that your intent?
 
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Septic said:
Weird how both autopsy's said it was a homicide and not the fentanyl that killed him.

If only you guys were medical examiners and lawyers, Chauvin would be at home in the embrace of his loving family.
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And the medical examiner also said without the video he would have ruled overdose. No evidence of murder except for the interpretation of a video. All other evidence supports OD.
 
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Septic said:
Weird how both autopsy's said it was a homicide and not the fentanyl that killed him.

If only you guys were medical examiners and lawyers, Chauvin would be at home in the embrace of his loving family.
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He may be a piece of what but I don't think he's guilty of murder. Only my opinion based on the limited evidence I've seen thus far and my position could change. It already has.
 
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Tastylicks said:
you are basically arguing that the whole knee on the neck thing is irrelevant and insignificant to the story. Am I wrong about that? or was that your intent?
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I'm saying that didn't kill him, he didn't get choked out. I can have someone use the same restraint on me for twice the amount of time and have no trouble breathing. Excited delerium,poor health, and a lethal dose of drugs killed him.
 
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KB5252 said:
And the medical examiner also said without the video he would have ruled overdose. No evidence of murder except for the interpretation of a video. All other evidence supports OD.
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How in the F does a medical examiner say a man died of an overdose unless he watches a video and says homicide? Either Floyd died from asphyxia or he didn't.
 
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VolStrom said:
How in the F does a medical examiner say a man died of an overdose unless he watches a video and says homicide? Either Floyd died from asphyxia or he didn't.
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Lungs were full of fluid. Can that happen from asphyxiation? I'm not sure, I've heard conflicting info.
 
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KB5252 said:
And the medical examiner also said without the video he would have ruled overdose. No evidence of murder except for the interpretation of a video. All other evidence supports OD.
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this may be a lie too. I feel pretty informed on the case and I haven't seen this anywhere. Also, the federal medical examiners, (Armed Forces MES) said there were "elements of asphyxiation", so it is untrue that "all other evidence supports OD"
 
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Tastylicks said:
this may be a lie too. I feel pretty informed on the case and I haven't seen this anywhere. Also, the federal medical examiners, (Armed Forces MES) said there were "elements of asphyxiation", so it is untrue that "all other evidence supports OD"
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Asphyxia doesn't require an external mechanism.
 
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KB5252 said:
Lungs were full of fluid. Can that happen from asphyxiation? I'm not sure, I've heard conflicting info.
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I think Floyd was a drug addicted POS. The cops did what cops do and wrestled his ass to the ground and never felt one bit of guilt or remorse when he died. The problem was someone captured their crime on camera and now they don't know what to do. My few interactions with police has been because of traffic stops and I've been treated like crap. I can imagine what happens when you're on drugs and they do the take down and kill you thing.
 
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Tastylicks said:
if you say so lol.

The cool thing is that you dont have to have any proof when ur bullshiteing. Its not like we can get some tough guy cop to jam his knee in your neck for 9 mins to see if your breathing is strained at all hehe
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We practice this kind of stuff in jiu jitsu. The front of the throat is the business end. The back and side of neck is where the muscle is.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm saying that didn't kill him, he didn't get choked out. I can have someone use the same restraint on me for twice the amount of time and have no trouble breathing. Excited delerium,poor health, and a lethal dose of drugs killed him.
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Autopsy Report Numero 1
Full Report
Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Manner of death: Homicide How injury occurred: Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)

You can keep repeating that he wasn't choked out till you're blue in the face but the evidence through the experts who actually performed the autopsies disagree with your armchair assessment.

The only difference in this report from the county coroner is that he concluded that the manner of death was asphyxiation and not cardiopulmonary arrest.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem
 
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KB5252 said:
Based on what? The video? Or the toxicology report?

That why I believe this case isn't a winner for the prosecution. Reasonable doubt exists even within the ME's report.
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You seem to have your mind made up. My post was based on the Armed Forces medical examiners report, hence why I cited it in my post
 
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KB5252 said:
Asphyxia doesn't require an external mechanism.
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Jesus christ are you being paid to be obtuse, because some one is getting a sold days work out of you? There's literally video of Floyd with the external mechanism and it's knee on his neck.

Take a lap dude.

You guys can think Floyd had it coming, was a pile of dog sh*t and put himself in this position AND ALSO acknowledge that the cop was the one that ultimately was the direct cause of his demise.
 
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