Derek Chauvin trial

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Septic said:
What difference would it make? You're strawmanning variables that are extraneous to the question that was asked of NGV.

Either Floyd was in the throes of overdosing or he was a threat in need of being subdued with cuffs and knees, you simply can't have it both ways.

Pick a lane.

Also, Chauvin's Chief of Police and every other expert witness that has taken the stand, said it wasn't "protocol." It's like you guys aren't paying attention to the reality of what's being testified to and instead keep regurgitating long debunked twitter points.

Floyd may have died due to history of hypertension, drug use, smoking, sickle cell, drinking or he may have been hit by a bus 30 seconds after leaving the quick-e-mart. But we'll never know because we have video evidence of a guy compressing his neck into cement for ten minutes where three pathologists point to and state that was the proximate cause of his demise.
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You can have it both ways given many people on here have said it takes about 5 minutes for the drugs to kick in
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
The maths irrelevant, it’s all on the autopsy report.
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That math is "irrelevant" but pointing to the "fatal" level of fentanyl in his system without the context of his habitual use of opioids isn't?

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Vol8188 said:
You can have it both ways given many people on here have said it takes about 5 minutes for the drugs to kick in
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And yet none of the first responders including a fireman bystander all trained to recognize and treat for acute drug overdoses recognized that the man at the absolute center of attention was over dosing. None of them? The man who needed to be restrained for ten minutes after being handcuffed, the man who was having a conversation with police about being claustrophobic calling for his mother as Chauvin slowly choked the life out of him - was in the throes of a fatal overdose? And no one seemed to recognize it? You said you're a paramedic?

Aside from the colossal failure of following the use of the knee restraint "protocol" you alluded to earlier, the staggering amount of negligence by a the police of a man in custody who was actively od'ing is simply breathtaking.
 
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Septic said:
And yet none of the first responders including a fireman bystander all trained to recognize and treat for acute drug overdoses recognized that the man at the absolute center of attention was over dosing. None of them? The man who needed to be restrained for ten minutes after being handcuffed, the man who was having a conversation with police about being claustrophobic calling for his mother as Chauvin slowly choked the life out of him - was in the throes of a fatal overdose? And no one seemed to recognize it? You said you're a paramedic?

Aside from the colossal failure of following the use of the knee restraint "protocol" you alluded to earlier, the staggering amount of negligence by a the police of a man in custody who was actively od'ing is simply breathtaking.
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yeah that's what gets me. IF its not murder its shite police work to kneel on a guy overdosing.

but I believe its murder. the police chief's testimony was clear
 
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Tastylicks said:
yeah that's what gets me. IF its not murder its shite police work to kneel on a guy overdosing.

but I believe its murder. the police chief's testimony was clear
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The police chief was proven to be a liar.... I do think it is one of the lesser murder charges after the medical examiners testimony....I haven’t been following real closely though.
 
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Septic said:
That math is "irrelevant" but pointing to the "fatal" level of fentanyl in his system without the context of his habitual use of opioids isn't?

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The constant use of stimulants and opioids for 25 years physiological effects on the heart and lungs isn’t either? We just going to ignore all that?

Let’s face it we aren’t going to agree on this.

I’ve cared for more overdoses and cardiopulmonary train wrecks than I would have ever cared to. There is a plateau that every chronic user reaches when they have trashed their lungs and heart and the inevitable happens. If you don’t agree with me that’s fine. I’ve made my stance known and stand by it.
 
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Septic said:
And yet none of the first responders including a fireman bystander all trained to recognize and treat for acute drug overdoses recognized that the man at the absolute center of attention was over dosing. None of them? The man who needed to be restrained for ten minutes after being handcuffed, the man who was having a conversation with police about being claustrophobic calling for his mother as Chauvin slowly choked the life out of him - was in the throes of a fatal overdose? And no one seemed to recognize it? You said you're a paramedic?

Aside from the colossal failure of following the use of the knee restraint "protocol" you alluded to earlier, the staggering amount of negligence by a the police of a man in custody who was actively od'ing is simply breathtaking.
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Allot of people recognized it, no one did anything.
 
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Septic said:
And yet none of the first responders including a fireman bystander all trained to recognize and treat for acute drug overdoses recognized that the man at the absolute center of attention was over dosing. None of them? The man who needed to be restrained for ten minutes after being handcuffed, the man who was having a conversation with police about being claustrophobic calling for his mother as Chauvin slowly choked the life out of him - was in the throes of a fatal overdose? And no one seemed to recognize it? You said you're a paramedic?

Aside from the colossal failure of following the use of the knee restraint "protocol" you alluded to earlier, the staggering amount of negligence by a the police of a man in custody who was actively od'ing is simply breathtaking.
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How do you recognize an OD without knowing that someone has ingested something inside their body? I think chauvin is guilty after the medical examiners report but an OD is strictly the responsibility of the person that took the drug into there system..... Expecting the police, or medical personnel to notice in time is ridiculous,imo.
 
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volbeast33 said:
The police chief was proven to be a liar.... I do think it is one of the lesser murder charges after the medical examiners testimony....I haven’t been following real closely though.
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You havent been paying attention but you have no problem ignorantly calling the chief of police a liar.

yikes
 
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Tastylicks said:
You havent been paying attention but you have no problem ignorantly calling the chief of police a liar.

yikes
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It’s just my opinion of the info I have read/heard about the trial.... I stated I have not been paying close attention bc I can definitely be proven wrong.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It’s just my opinion of the info I have read/heard about the trial.... I stated I have not been paying close attention bc I can definitely be proven wrong.
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yeah, you're gonna be wrong. Can tell you that now. The chief of police isn't going to be arrested for perjury
 
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Tastylicks said:
yeah, you're gonna be wrong. Can tell you that now. The chief of police isn't going to be arrested for perjury
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I agree that he won’t be charged with perjury...... if the evidence I saw/read about is accurate and he flat out lied about the use of that hold in the field then he needs to be removed from his position as police chief. I also noticed that you had issue with my opinion of the police chief but not my opinion that chauvin is guilty.... wonder why that is?
 
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volbeast33 said:
How do you recognize an OD without knowing that someone has ingested something inside their body? I think chauvin is guilty after the medical examiners report but an OD is strictly the responsibility of the person that took the drug into there system..... Expecting the police, or medical personnel to notice in time is ridiculous,imo.
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Are you kidding?

The fireman on the scene and the medics testified to watching him die, knowing it was occurring. Begging the cops to intervene, not because they knew he was over dosing, but because he was in obvious medical distress due to Chauvins actions. If he was OD'ing, the restraint Chauvin was giving was unnecessary - and he kept doing it for 10 effing minutes.

Was he OD'ing or was he resisting to the point of the need to restrain him with cuffs and knees?

Which is it?
 
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Septic said:
Are you kidding?

The fireman on the scene and the medics testified to watching him die, knowing it was occurring. Begging the cops to intervene, not because they knew he was over dosing, but because he was in obvious medical distress due to Chauvins actions. If he was OD'ing, the restraint Chauvin was giving was unnecessary - and he kept doing it for 10 effing minutes.

Was he OD'ing or was he resisting to the point of the need to restrain him with cuffs and knees?

Which is it?
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OD’ing is a process..... you can be in the process of overdosing and resistance at the same time.... I have stated that I feel chauvin is guilty based off the current medical examiners testimony.... people’s emotion based opinion is further down the list of evidence..... why were they keeping him on the ground that long.... what were they waiting on?
 
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volbeast33 said:
All of it..... people OD’ing on drugs are able to communicate and fend off police until they start to shut down.
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Not with an opioid like fentanyl where the onset of action is less than a minute and a peaks from 2-4 minutes.

Cops were there for there for what 10 minutes before the knee to the neck started? Weird how he went from buying smokes, to talking to police to resisting to and needing to be cuffed and kneed for ten minutes to "oh, he must have overdosed."

Too bad for Chauvin that none of the experts who understand the pharmacology moa, or the ones that examined the body agree with the victim blaming Volnation keyboard lawyers.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree that he won’t be charged with perjury...... if the evidence I saw/read about is accurate and he flat out lied about the use of that hold in the field then he needs to be removed from his position as police chief. I also noticed that you had issue with my opinion of the police chief but not my opinion that chauvin is guilty.... wonder why that is?
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Racist?
 
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Septic said:
Not with an opioid like fentanyl where the onset of action is less than a minute and a peaks from 2-4 minutes.

Cops where there for there for what 10 minutes before the knee to the neck started? Weird how he went from buying smokes, to talking to police to resisting to and needing to be cuffed and kneed for ten minutes to "oh, he must have overdosed."

Too bad for Chauvin that none of the experts who understand the pharmacology moa, or the ones that examined the body agree with the victim blaming Volnation keyboard lawyers.
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The effects of fentanyl are variable especially when someone is a chronic user like Floyd..... Floyd was already showing signs as he was making similar complaints while he was standing..... I agree that chauvin should be found guilty bc the medical examiner stated that blood supply was cut off to his brain.... part of that was the hold chauvin used and part of that was Floyd’s poor lifestyle choices.
 
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#722
“Peaceful protesting” will be through the roof if Chauvin isn’t convicted.

It’ll get ugly.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
He was black. Basically every little thing can be fatal to them because of their genetics. They are the race most susceptible to every form of disease and ailment out there. Except malaria.
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What? They have a higher likelihood of sickle cell anemia and many cardiovascular conditions amongst other things, but to say they are “the race most susceptible to every form of disease and ailment out there” is flat wrong and extremely ignorant.
 
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