Derek Chauvin trial

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Electric Orange said:
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I am just now watching the cross examination of the defense's expert. This was a complete disaster for Chauvin's defense.

Brodd admitted that his entire assessment of "control" vs "force" was predicated on the supposition that Floyd was not in pain. Which, of course, led to the video being played and Brodd having to acknowledge that Floyd was clearly in pain.

And that was just one of countless instances where Brodd had to backtrack on his direct testimony once he was shown the video.

How in the blue hell did the defense do such a terrible job of prepping their expert? Or, if they expected this cross and weren't caught flatfooted, why put this guy on the stand?
 
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bamawriter said:
I am just now watching the cross examination of the defense's expert. This was a complete disaster for Chauvin's defense.

Brodd admitted that his entire assessment of "control" vs "force" was predicates on the supposition that Floyd was not in pain. Which, of course, led to the video being played and Brodd having to acknowledge that Floyd was clearly in pain.

And that was just one of countless instances where Brodd had to backtrack on his direct testimony once he was shown the video.

How in the blue hell did the defense do such a terrible job of prepping their expert? Or, if they expected this cross and weren't caught flatfooted, why put this guy on the stand?
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It's comical to me that posters here are saying "experts on both sides." One side clearly has better ones. There are always "experts" on both sides. Literally every trial. It's which side can beat up the other sides expert. Big L for the Defense today.
 
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bamawriter said:
I am just now watching the cross examination of the defense's expert. This was a complete disaster for Chauvin's defense.

Brodd admitted that his entire assessment of "control" vs "force" was predicated on the supposition that Floyd was not in pain. Which, of course, led to the video being played and Brodd having to acknowledge that Floyd was clearly in pain.

And that was just one of countless instances where Brodd had to backtrack on his direct testimony once he was shown the video.

How in the blue hell did the defense do such a terrible job of prepping their expert? Or, if they expected this cross and weren't caught flatfooted, why put this guy on the stand?
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Because they’re reaching.
 
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AM64 said:
I can't imagine how it rationally goes any other way. When you have so many differing expert opinions about what caused death, then any could be contributory, and none can be ruled out. In the end how can you say this or that was the cause. The triggering event and many contributing factors pretty much have to be attributed to the victim for initiating the whole chain of events. Chauvin doesn't get a pass either, but bad judgement and lack of knowledge about Floyd's condition doesn't make his behavior willfully or intentionally criminal - negligent, careless, and reckless absolutely.
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Well there is this Column: The killing of Daunte Wright shows this American sickness doesn't stop
 
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PointGuard said:
And right on cue here comes Rickyvol faking that he can't make the connection between the two linked articles.
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Well the first article is 100% crap because the police had every legal right to pull Wright over (which had nothing to do with "racism" or any other made up boogeyman) and the attempted arrest of him was valid too, even before he broke the law further with more felony acts. The negligence of the officer who panicked and shot with firearm when she thought it was a taser was wrong and handled appropriately. But it doesnt discount the fact that Wright was a violent felon yet again as with all these cases.

Fox News didn't break that story about his usual criminal history by the way
 
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utvols88 said:
I can't respect anyone who thinks the Daunte Wright issue was anything but a mistake in weapon.
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The author didn't make any argument that it wasn't a mistake. He even acknowledges Potter's and the police chief's resignations. His point was that the mistake left a black man dead.
 
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bamawriter said:
The author didn't make any argument that it wasn't a mistake. He even acknowledges Potter's and the police chief's resignations. His point was that the mistake left a black man dead.
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Irrelevant, as it had zero to do with the mistake. Any argument outside of the negligent mistake is nonsense. Everything around that mistake was legitimate.
 
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bamawriter said:
The author didn't make any argument that it wasn't a mistake. He even acknowledges Potter's and the police chief's resignations. His point was that the mistake left a black man dead.
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but race had nothing to do with it...if Wright had been white, the article and most of the media coverage wouldn't exist
 
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utvols88 said:
Irrelevant, as it had zero to do with the mistake. Any argument outside of the negligent mistake is nonsense. Everything around that mistake was legitimate.
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If the mistaken weapon had been the only issue, I'd agree. However, that completely ignores the fact that even tazing Wright was insanely stupid. You don't taze someone that just got behind the wheel and put a vehicle in gear. Potter created a risk for everyone else on the roadway, and it's no small blessing that Wright was the only person injured.

Did all of that happen because Wright was black? I don't know. Either way, it doesn't make the situation any more or less tragic. What I do know is that this is now the second glaring instance of complete negligence on the part of that same police force. Both situations highlighted how poorly trained these heavily armed individuals are. And whether race drove any of the decision-making, it's impossible to ignore that both situations resulted in dead black men.
 
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bamawriter said:
If the mistaken weapon had been the only issue, I'd agree. However, that completely ignores the fact that even tazing Wright was insanely stupid. You don't taze someone that just got behind the wheel and put a vehicle in gear. Potter created a risk for everyone else on the roadway, and it's no small blessing that Wright was the only person injured.

Did all of that happen because Wright was black? I don't know. Either way, it doesn't make the situation any more or less tragic. What I do know is that this is now the second glaring instance of complete negligence on the part of that same police force. Both situations highlighted how poorly trained these heavily armed individuals are. And whether race drove any of the decision-making, it's impossible to ignore that both situations resulted in dead black men.
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Tasing someone who was fighting in the car is not a big deal, he was actively punching and kicking the other officer and it actually is the thing that made the most sense at that particular time.

Now the major training issue from the police side that helped this escalate to the shooting was the male officer not immediately handcuffing a known felon who has a history of weapon/assault charges and playing around with him with cuffs in his hand....terrible training all the way around on that
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Tasing someone who was fighting in the car is not a big deal, he was actively punching and kicking the other officer and it actually is the thing that made the most sense at that particular time.

Now the major training issue from the police side that helped this escalate to the shooting was the male officer not immediately handcuffing a known felon who has a history of weapon/assault charges and playing around with him with cuffs in his hand....terrible training all the way around on that
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it was shite police work all around

they also informed him of his outstanding warrants before they had him in custody which is why he ran. I'm no expert but at least wait till you got him under control, dummies
 
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Tastylicks said:
it was shite police work all around

they also informed him of his outstanding warrants before they had him in custody which is why he ran. I'm no expert but at least wait till you got him under control, dummies
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I dont disagree that from a tactical standpoint that's true, but this idiot knew he had warrants before they ever pulled him over. let's not kid ourselves.

He was still facing three previous charges, bailed out then ghosted on his PO, THEN ran from police while waving a gun weeks prior...
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I dont disagree that from a tactical standpoint that's true, but this idiot knew he had warrants before they ever pulled him over. let's not kid ourselves.

He was still facing three previous charges, bailed out then ghosted on his PO, THEN ran from police while waving a gun weeks prior...
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So kill that black man.... that'll learn 'em. Claim weapon choice error. That will get me off. Everyone Knows many prosecutors ignore bad deeds of rogue cops
 
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