Derek Chauvin trial

#77
#77
Maybe Chauvin should have taken his knee off of Floyd's neck as soon as he quit struggling but did anyone see any evidence of racism? Was that knee the cause of death?

This country basically burned down in the name of racism after that and I'm not seein' it. But of course I'm a white guy. Can anyone show me what I'm missing and what was it that allowed our country to suffer so?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Maybe Chauvin should have taken his knee off of Floyd's neck as soon as he quit struggling but did anyone see any evidence of racism? Was that knee the cause of death?

This country basically burned down in the name of racism after that and I'm not seein' it. But of course I'm a white guy. Can anyone show me what I'm missing and what was it that allowed our country to suffer so?
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Sea Ray said:
Maybe Chauvin should have taken his knee off of Floyd's neck as soon as he quit struggling but did anyone see any evidence of racism? Was that knee the cause of death?

This country basically burned down in the name of racism after that and I'm not seein' it. But of course I'm a white guy. Can anyone show me what I'm missing and what was it that allowed our country to suffer so?
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If you choose to die on a hill, you should do so on one steeper than this.
 
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loggervol said:
This was bad but Floyd was saying he couldn't breath before he was put on the ground. He also asked them to put him on the ground. It wasn't right how it happened but ultimately it was the drugs that killed him.
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It was obvious the cop didn't have much pressue on his neck.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Shocking to re-watch the video that was taken where he's lying down w/knee on his neck saying he couldn't breath. The bystanders were there asking for them to let him up .... he wasn't moving at all for 5 minutes. I believe he died right there. Police called an ambulance to come take him away at that point where he was no longer breathing.
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An ambulance staffed by other officers and not medical personnel. Why would that be?
 
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Tastylicks said:
lol, no that is not an actual fact. But if it makes you feel better, have at it :). Its kinda funny these days that 'facts' can vary based on the strength of conviction of your opinion.
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The levels of drugs in his system would have killed a horse within 5 minutes. Doses of narcan in the field would not have helped him in time. Barking up the wrong tree with that line.
 
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volgr said:
Is it possible that both can be true, Chauvin was a bad cop who probably shouldn't have been a cop but also be innocent of murdering Floyd?
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I suppose anything's possible but if he was handling this "by the book" then I don't see how one could claim that he's a bad cop. His training said to put a knee on Floyd's neck. His training said for him to call for medical help for a suspect who was experiencing breathing problems. He did that
 
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volgr said:
Is it possible that both can be true, Chauvin was a bad cop who probably shouldn't have been a cop but also be innocent of murdering Floyd?
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that is why these guys always get off. That question will be brought up and discussed in the juror's chambers Im sure
 
#91
#91
So what exactly did Chauvin do wrong? I've watched the entire episode more than once. I'd say the whole thing was fine until possibly the last five mins where Floyd quit struggling and then the officer possibly should have taken his knee off. However since we now know the issue was fluid in the lungs/heart failure, it's very unlikely that anything could have saved his life at that point.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I suppose anything's possible but if he was handling this "by the book" then I don't see how one could claim that he's a bad cop. His training said to put a knee on Floyd's neck. His training said for him to call for medical help for a suspect who was experiencing breathing problems. He did that
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He has other complaints in his record plus he has other issues outside of his job. He's not one of the good ones.
 
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volgr said:
He has other complaints in his record plus he has other issues outside of his job. He's not one of the good ones.
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Yes Chavlin was disciplined multiple times for his behavior.

AND he had run in's with Floyd before, which is hopefully brought up in the trial. It may have been personal. He was not within the 1st cops on the scene anyway, he came in after and like a thug did what he did. Is it possible it was because he didn't like Floyd? hmmmm...
 
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volgr said:
He has other complaints in his record plus he has other issues outside of his job. He's not one of the good ones.
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All cops have other complaints..... it’s part of the business..... what did he do outside of the job?
 
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Tastylicks said:
Yes Chavlin was disciplined multiple times for his behavior.

AND he had run in's with Floyd before, which is hopefully brought up in the trial. It may have been personal. He was not within the 1st cops on the scene anyway, he came in after and like a thug did what he did. Is it possible it was because he didn't like Floyd? hmmmm...
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I would like to see what the evidence shows about their previous encounters...... you are making a ton of assumptions.
 
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volbeast33 said:
All cops have other complaints..... it’s part of the business..... what did he do outside of the job?
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Outside of the job he worked security at the same nightclub as George Floyd.

complaints about his physical nature at that job exist too

'He choked me out': Others detail allegations of abuse by officer who knelt on George Floyd
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also think its pretty telling that his wife divorced him after the Floyd incident and said she sends her deepest sympathies to the Floyd family. Wouldn't be surprised if he was violent with her. that cop had issues
 
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Sea Ray said:
So what exactly did Chauvin do wrong? I've watched the entire episode more than once. I'd say the whole thing was fine until possibly the last five mins where Floyd quit struggling and then the officer possibly should have taken his knee off. However since we now know the issue was fluid in the lungs/heart failure, it's very unlikely that anything could have saved his life at that point.
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It's difficult to know with complete certainty what was wrong and what was right. Even something which might be right according to LEO SOP may not be right to me as a witness. My point from day one is once the person is restrained via cuffs (or whatever), it should not be necessary to keep your weight on his neck. He is restrained, other officers are within a few feet, the danger is essentially mitigated by then.
Floyd's health status, drug intake, heart attack, fluid on the lungs are complicating factors. Had the officers been aware of his health emergency the nearest hospital was 6 min away for a civilian in a car. A police car could have been there in 4 min +/-. Would that have saved George's life? Who knows. But it would have been a preferred course of action than kneeling on him until he expired.
 
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Tastylicks said:
that is why these guys always get off. That question will be brought up and discussed in the juror's chambers Im sure
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If it isn't murder why should anyone be charged with murder? No other case should matter in that chamber, just the evidence presented to them.
 
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