Derek Chauvin trial

[Tastylicks]

If it isn't murder why should anyone be charged with murder? No other case should matter in that chamber, just the evidence presented to them.

third-degree murder is the appropriate charge. In the state of Minnesota 3rd-degree murder does not require intent. The state is just doing its job

 

[KB5252]

third-degree murder is the appropriate charge. In the state of Minnesota 3rd-degree murder does not require intent. The state is just doing its job

If he overdosed how could it be murder though? His lungs were full of fluid, that's not a result of asphyxiation froma knee on his neck, forget the fact that was what he was trained and instructed to do. The moment Floyd consumes the lethal dose of drugs his fate was sealed. And judging by the way he was calling for his dead mother I believe in some lucid moments of his delerium he was aware of what was coming. Tragic, but I'm not sure manslaughter is even appropriate here. Based on the ME report and toxicology report reasonable doubt is abundant in this case. Set aside your beliefs or anger and look at the facts in the case and this is loser for the prosecution.

 

[Rickyvol77]

My favorite was Michael brown portrayed as a innocent child on his bike.

95% of the BLM "martyrs" are all BS. Garner, Brown, Rice, Martin, all did the actions that led to their deaths, some violently. It sullies the small number of ACTUAL police brutality or negligence cases there actually are, all because the media and Dems want to get political votes and clicks

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's difficult to know with complete certainty what was wrong and what was right. Even something which might be right according to LEO SOP may not be right to me as a witness. My point from day one is once the person is restrained via cuffs (or whatever), it should not be necessary to keep your weight on his neck. He is restrained, other officers are within a few feet, the danger is essentially mitigated by then.
Floyd's health status, drug intake, heart attack, fluid on the lungs are complicating factors. Had the officers been aware of his health emergency the nearest hospital was 6 min away for a civilian in a car. A police car could have been there in 4 min +/-. Would that have saved George's life? Who knows. But it would have been a preferred course of action than kneeling on him until he expired.

In most jurisdictions, police aren't allowed to transport emergency medical issues to hospitals themselves due to lawyers suing...Thanks again trial lawyers

 

[McDad]

In most jurisdictions, police aren't allowed to transport emergency medical issues to hospitals themselves due to lawyers suing...Thanks again trial lawyers

Sometimes stupid rules need breaking. If we grant LEOs discretion to use judgement when interacting with the public, they have discretion on when to transport someone to hospital.

I understand neither you nor I made these rules. So, not arguing with you. Simply sharing how I see the matter.

 

[lukeneyland]

I would be shocked if the officer is found guilty

It depends on if they try to over prosecute. Charge him with manslaughter and excessive use of force ( I don’t know what the legal term for that is) and it’s a sure thing to convict him. If they go for murder it could be a different story. Casey Anthony comes to mind

 

[Tastylicks]

It depends on if they try to over prosecute. Charge him with manslaughter and excessive use of force ( I don’t know what the legal term for that is) and it’s a sure thing to convict him. If they go for murder it could be a different story. Casey Anthony comes to mind

Ughhh Casey Anthony makes me sick

 

[lukeneyland]

lol, no that is not an actual fact. But if it makes you feel better, have at it . Its kinda funny these days that 'facts' can vary based on the strength of conviction of your opinion.

It could be. I believe that was the determination of the first autopsy. I know there was a second one which reached a different verdict but you can see how political/ social pressure could have influenced that decision

 

[lukeneyland]

Ughhh Casey Anthony makes me sick

That was a revolting one. I wasn’t around for OJ but it seems roughly equivalent

 

[Vol737]

I haven’t watched any of this trial. When is/are the ME(s) due to testify regarding the physiological issues (drugs in the system and fluid build up in the lungs) of GF and the role those played? I’d like to hear that. If that testimony sways a jury to convict on a lesser manslaughter charge then it’s burn baby burn for half the cities in America.

 

[Boca Vol]

What is the purpose of putting a 8 year old kid on the stand? We know he's coached and it was smart for the defense to not ask questions.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That was a revolting one. I wasn’t around for OJ but it seems roughly equivalent

I think Casey Anthony was worse than OJ.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Sometimes stupid rules need breaking. If we grant LEOs discretion to use judgement when interacting with the public, they have discretion on when to transport someone to hospital.

I understand neither you nor I made these rules. So, not arguing with you. Simply sharing how I see the matter.

I agree, but mayors/city councils/trial lawyers have made it where they are so worried about lawsuits that they will fire officers who do so

 

[volgr]

in your opinion anyway

In any rational persons opinion. Cops are given a HUGE amount of trust. A Chauvin type is not worth of that level of trust.

 

[volgr]

All cops have other complaints..... it’s part of the business..... what did he do outside of the job?

He has some serious tax issues among other issues that haven't been released. I've heard from good sources that Chauvin was willing to accept a 10 year plea to make everything go away but then AG Barr denied it.

 

[volbeast33]

He has some serious tax issues among other issues that haven't been released. I've heard from good sources that Chauvin was willing to accept a 10 year plea to make everything go away but then AG Barr denied it.

I don’t blame him..... I wouldn’t feel like I would get a fair trial.

 

[volgr]

I don’t blame him..... I wouldn’t feel like I would get a fair trial.

The jury is a mess (completely unrepresentative of the Minneapolis area), the trial should've been moved out of that area, the settlement should have never been announced right before the trial, but this is the current state of our judicial system.

 

[volbeast33]

The jury is a mess (completely unrepresentative of the Minneapolis area), the trial should've been moved out of that area, the settlement should have never been announced right before the trial, but this is the current state of our judicial system.

Yeah it is a mess

 

[Tastylicks]

In any rational persons opinion. Cops are given a HUGE amount of trust. A Chauvin type is not worth of that level of trust.

I agree with that, but Chauvin is gonna have his cop colleagues, the ones with HUGE trust, taking the stand on his behalf.

 

[Sea Ray]

He has other complaints in his record plus he has other issues outside of his job. He's not one of the good ones.

That's debatable. He did receive two metals of Valor but luckily we don't have to decide that here. What exactly did he do wrong here?

 

[Sea Ray]

Yes Chavlin was disciplined multiple times for his behavior.

AND he had run in's with Floyd before, which is hopefully brought up in the trial. It may have been personal. He was not within the 1st cops on the scene anyway, he came in after and like a thug did what he did. Is it possible it was because he didn't like Floyd? hmmmm...

He was (disciplined) reprimanded twice

 

[Sea Ray]

It's difficult to know with complete certainty what was wrong and what was right. Even something which might be right according to LEO SOP may not be right to me as a witness. My point from day one is once the person is restrained via cuffs (or whatever), it should not be necessary to keep your weight on his neck. He is restrained, other officers are within a few feet, the danger is essentially mitigated by then.
Floyd's health status, drug intake, heart attack, fluid on the lungs are complicating factors. Had the officers been aware of his health emergency the nearest hospital was 6 min away for a civilian in a car. A police car could have been there in 4 min +/-. Would that have saved George's life? Who knows. But it would have been a preferred course of action than kneeling on him until he expired.

I'd like to hear more about how police are trained to handle this. Perhaps they're trained to restrain the head so the drugged out guy doesn't hurt his head by banging it into the pavement. I assume there is a reason to retrain his head. We need to hear that testimony. If he went against training then that knee on the neck is damning. That's why we need to hear all the evidence.

Did you see any evidence of racism?

 

[McDad]

I'd like to hear more about how police are trained to handle this. Perhaps they're trained to restrain the head so the drugged out guy doesn't hurt his head by banging it into the pavement. I assume there is a reason to retrain his head. We need to hear that testimony. If he went against training then that knee on the neck is damning. That's why we need to hear all the evidence.

Did you see any evidence of racism?

I haven't watched any of the video. The only exposure I have to the case is what I've read here on the forum. With that said, I do not see what DC did to GF as an overt act of racism. If racism is shown to be part of DC's MO, then I will change my opinion.

 

[Sea Ray]

third-degree murder is the appropriate charge. In the state of Minnesota 3rd-degree murder does not require intent. The state is just doing its job

So you think that knee to the neck caused the death and not the stress of the situation/fentanyl/meth/heart condition? That's quite a sell, particularly since he was having breathing problems long before he was on the ground

 

[volgr]

That's debatable. He did receive two metals of Valor but luckily we don't have to decide that here. What exactly did he do wrong here?

Wrong with Floyd? He should have rolled him over on his back once he passed out. Even other officers and paramedics were telling him to do that. Now, would it have mattered in possibly saving Floyd's life? Likley not, but that's up to experts in the field.