Dooley sucks (merged)

#126
#126
Opinions are like A-holes and mine prolly doesn't smell any better than the next guy's, but I'm gonna throw mine out anyway. I don't know what everyone looks for in college football, but I look for my home town school's players representing my university competitively and with class. I have no delusions that "my boys" are gonna win every single game until I turn into worm dirt. I just want to see them knock some mofos out and have the other team sorry they had to play us , yet appreciate that they had the opportunity to be on the same field . Was Lane Kiffin a bad hire? No. He had what it took to turn a bunch of demoralized and lost kids into a fired up squad wanting to play. He just turned out to be a punk and that's that. Is Doolittle a bad hire? Nothing makes me feel like he is a bad hire so far. He's definitely less arrogant. That can't be denied. It's a fact that he's been face to face with a TON of big time talent, so it's not like recruiting is gonna be an intimidation for him. Logic tells me that finding "good" players at the 1-2 star level are a lot harder to weed out than when you have your pick of the nations best. I don't actually think he is gonna be able to talk the Kyle Praters and Bryce Browns of the world into coming to UT just yet. We may have a couple down years in recruiting, but I think if he is really as down to earth and honest as he seems, they will start to buy in. The hot shot players wanna go where they are fairly certain they will be winning a lot . Tennessee looks like a project right now more than a winning program. Give it time. Let this guy work toward the greater goal and back off for a bit. If he gets two back to back top 5 classes and still loses a lot, then yeh he sucks and needs to go. But he could just as easily be the diamond in the rough we were looking for. There is a reason we have him and not Kippy. That would have been the easy hire.
 
#127
#127
Now the name of this thread is just the way to support our new Coach (geez), whether anyone likes this hire or not he is our new head Coach & in all fairness should be given a chance.. who knows, like someone said he may be our diamond in the rough... I wish for him the very best at Tennessee.. it takes more than the head Coach or AD to win games.. :rock:
 
#130
#130
This is classic....Let's go on the Record......Kevin Sumlin, Mark Whipple,Terry Bowden, Tommy Bowden, Leslie Frazier, Dann Mullen, Butch Davis, Bud Foster, Brent Venables,
Mike Stoops, Tyrone Nix, Spanky, Buckwheat or Alphalfa....

Is the Tennessee Job that bad that this is the best the Big Orange could do?
 
#131
#131
Wezcoast said:
Opinions are like A-holes and mine prolly doesn't smell any better than the next guy's, but I'm gonna throw mine out anyway. I don't know what everyone looks for in college football, but I look for my home town school's players representing my university competitively and with class. I have no delusions that "my boys" are gonna win every single game until I turn into worm dirt. I just want to see them knock some mofos out and have the other team sorry they had to play us , yet appreciate that they had the opportunity to be on the same field . Was Lane Kiffin a bad hire? No. He had what it took to turn a bunch of demoralized and lost kids into a fired up squad wanting to play. He just turned out to be a punk and that's that. Is Doolittle a bad hire? Nothing makes me feel like he is a bad hire so far. He's definitely less arrogant. That can't be denied. It's a fact that he's been face to face with a TON of big time talent, so it's not like recruiting is gonna be an intimidation for him. Logic tells me that finding "good" players at the 1-2 star level are a lot harder to weed out than when you have your pick of the nations best. I don't actually think he is gonna be able to talk the Kyle Praters and Bryce Browns of the world into coming to UT just yet. We may have a couple down years in recruiting, but I think if he is really as down to earth and honest as he seems, they will start to buy in. The hot shot players wanna go where they are fairly certain they will be winning a lot . Tennessee looks like a project right now more than a winning program. Give it time. Let this guy work toward the greater goal and back off for a bit. If he gets two back to back top 5 classes and still loses a lot, then yeh he sucks and needs to go. But he could just as easily be the diamond in the rough we were looking for. There is a reason we have him and not Kippy. That would have been the easy hire.
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But that makes sense. We got to win now and win every game, every SEC Championship,and every BCS title. Instant gratification or else to these guys.
 
#132
#132
Dooley is a great coach and you will all change your tune by this time next year. If you dont believe me just ask Barbara Dooley:). But seriously, I think this is about as close to a home run as Hamilton could have hit. JMHO.
 
#133
#133
vol_in_il said:
I couldn't get on due to work circumstances for most of the day today

but 17-20 is his record, and Hambone is hiring him at UT

what a letdown

I love the Vols, and I'm sick to my stomach right now
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#134
#134
Vol_atile said:
Remember folks. He "Kiffined" La-Tech. I guess that's different though. Their kids aren't as important as ours.
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Actually he didn't.

First, he actually stayed more than one year.

Second, his move was clearly a step up, while Kiffin moved from one storied program to another.

Third, he has was much more respectful to everyone in the process.
 
#135
#135
vol_in_il said:
another strike aganst him

Is there a name in college football that's more synonomous to a college program than GA and Dooley

besides Joe Pa, and Bowden at FL State
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Osborne-Nebraska, Stoops-Oklahoma, Carrol-USC.. yes, I said that... Brown-Texas, the sweatervest-Ohio State,

Neyland.... Tennessee

Shall I go on?
 
#137
#137
braths said:
IPUPUI? Does that university even exist?
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That one doesn't to muy knowledge.. but IUPUI does... Indiana University and Perdue University at Indianapolis... They have a pretty good swimming program... well used to anyway.
 
#139
#139
Right now we have to agree Nick Saban, hate him or not, is the premo coach in college. He's got his pick of the lot with players and coaches. For one to be with Saban for seven years is something. Muschamp was with Saban and now under Brown with ziltch HC experience but we wanted him.

Dooley has been about everything, from TE coach, RB coach, Special Teams Coach, HC, AD and more importantly Head Recruiter. If he stuck with Saban instead of going after his dream of being a HC we be jumping all over we just got Sabans No#1 guy.
 
#142
#142
You people ripping fans that don't like the Dooley hire are the same people that used to rip fans when people criticized Kiffin. Its like once someone becomes UT coach, people instantly become hyper-sensitive and defensive. Take off the orange-colored glasses...just because some of us dont like the hire doesnt mean we wont be rooting for UT all season, and it doesnt mean we hate Dooley or anything silly like that.

There are a lot of questions about Dooley. He has a losing record from a crappy conference. There is the Uga angle...is this on-the-job training? A lot of people down in Atlanta think so. Can he recruit when it is his program? What kind of team will we be? Etc, etc.

I don't like the hire. I think we should have gotten someone more experienced. But I hope to hell and back that Dooley makes me eat my words and that he ends up being here for ten years and whips Meyer and Richt and Saban and Miles and everyone else.
 
#144
#144
Lil' Cowtown said:
This is classic....Let's go on the Record......Kevin Sumlin, Mark Whipple,Terry Bowden, Tommy Bowden, Leslie Frazier, Dann Mullen, Butch Davis, Bud Foster, Brent Venables,
Mike Stoops, Tyrone Nix, Spanky, Buckwheat or Alphalfa....

Is the Tennessee Job that bad that this is the best the Big Orange could do?
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Sumlin and Davis turned UT down. The others were not approached to my knowledge and should have been.
 
#145
#145
vol_in_il said:
I didn't like that hire either
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Sounds like the cold weather is getting to you bro..... We'll still be here in a year or two when CDD is winning games and filling seats at Neyland.... See you when you come back...Just don't act like you were with us the whole time.
 
#146
#146
My problem is not with Dooley but with Hamilton, his handling of CPF was terrible. Where was his leadership during all the off-field discipline issues under CPF...when it became clear to most of us that the program was in decline why wasn't he trying to re-negotiating CPF's contract defining performance standards and expectations instead he let the extensions move forward. His firing CPF was handled poorly...if you fire a guy he should leave immediately not wait until the end of the season. Too much needless drama occurred because Hamilton allowed CPF to stay to end of the season.

And was there anyone out there who thought Kiffin would be around for a long time? I don't think so but were there provisions in CLK's contract to make his leaving early costly...no so CLK leaves us high and dry on a $800K buyout with Hamilton's blessings.

I wish CDD nothing but success but I'm sure DD wasn't on anybody's short list and his hiring in my opinion is just another Hamilton failure. Hamilton needs to go and he needs to go now.
 
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#147
#147
And was there anyone out there who thought Kiffin would be around for a long time? I don't think so but were there provisions in CLK's contract to make his leaving early costly...no so CLK leaves us high and dry on a $800K buyout with Hamilton's blessings.

I think almost everyone knew (either outwardly or inwardly..) that Kiffin was a snake when we picked him up.... It's just that no-one thought he'd bite us this quickly.... Or in such a cruel way. Its like he was pulling a drowning man to shore and just as he was getting out of the water, Kiffin pushed him back in....
 
#149
#149
majic73 said:
17-20 is not a myopic view...it is a fact based indicator. Yup , he was in a competative conference without a lot of talent on his team. Do you suppose he is coming to the same situation only at a higher level of the game ?

His lack of experience in big time football and his lack of stand alone recruiting are indicators as well . (Stand alone recruiting meaning his only verified success has come when he worked for saban ...who has always recruited well with or without dooley)

I would just look at the indicators . Risky hire to say the least.
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everything you said is basically true for every coach at some point in their lives...i mean **** they just don't pop out of the womb the best head coach in college football...most of them have to WORK their way to that point
 
#150
#150
bluetickhound16 said:
Sounds like the cold weather is getting to you bro..... We'll still be here in a year or two when CDD is winning games and filling seats at Neyland.... See you when you come back...Just don't act like you were with us the whole time.
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well put sir...screw all the fair weather fans!!!!
 
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