Dooley sucks (merged)

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jcolli30 said:
While I understand where you're coming from I find it hard, as a Vol fan, not to support this guy right now. I would call LSU pretty "big time" football. And while he was under Saban in those recruiting years, he was the recruiting coordinator. Remember, Kiffin was under Carroll during his phenomenal recruiting.
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I support them and hope for success....but I think it was a bad hire .

He recruited under Saban . Saban was then and is now one of the best recruiters in the nation. When CDD left Saban , he has not proved to be a wonderful recruiter. That would lead me to believe that Saban was the key to that success he had as a recruiter

I am glad kiffin is gone now ..given his scumbag exit. Kiffin was an OC under Carroll as well as a recruiter. Kiffin brought one of the best DC's in the game with him as well as one of the best coaching/recruiting staffs and sold NFL experience. CDD was a career position coach , not an OC ...and from what I have heard about his staff , it will leave something to be desired. At LA MO , he played in a competative conference , coaching a team with depleted talent . he had 1 good season and two bad. He is about to be in that same situation only at a much higher level. There is nothing to indicate that he will fair any better . If there is evidence that you see , any indicator other than being a personable public speaker ...I am eager to know. I sure want the Vols to find the answer and want them to be relevant again ...because I am die - hard Orange . Just not seeing it here .
 
#102
#102
Volfan8282 said:
Hamilton did NOT whiff on Kiffin. That was a home run hire given the coaching staff that was brought in as well. Kiffin would've been very successful here.

Hamilton might've hit another home run with Dooley. He might've whiffed. We'll see soon enough.
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You are speculating that Kiffin would have been successful, he had some BAD losses, UCLA, Ole Miss, and VT. He was inconsistent even for his first year here. He could recruit well but history says he sucks at coaching. We never know how it would have all turned out because he screwed us over before we got the chance to find out. Hamilton hired the guy with low-character, he whiffed.
 
#103
#103
braths said:
These better candidates all turned us down.
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You keep saying that, and I have to keep asking where's your evidence of that. Otherwise you're just making it up.

I have only seen where coaches have stated they HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED...hhhhmmm? That is your evidence?
 
#105
#105
mkh423 said:
thats what im saying.he done a hell of a job recruiting for LA Tech.Thats why we will have top 10 class this year and top 5 next year.


i just think we should support our coach.When everyone started turning on fulmer that when his recruiting classes started getting worse.Kids pay attention to how strongly there fan base supports a coach.When they commit it is long term.Recruits want the same coach there whole college career
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I agree...
 
#106
#106
vol_in_il said:
no but when Kiffin told Hamilton he was leaving
Hamilton should have gotten a better coach than Dooley
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I'm sure he tried. His job depends on it. I just think the timing messed him up. But who knows? Maybe this guy will be great. Just keep an open mind. Trust me, we'll know soon enough.
 
#107
#107
bleedorange1983 said:
You are speculating that Kiffin would have been successful, he had some BAD losses, UCLA, Ole Miss, and VT. He was inconsistent even for his first year here. He could recruit well but history says he sucks at coaching. We never know how it would have all turned out because he screwed us over before we got the chance to find out. Hamilton hired the guy with low-character, he whiffed.
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And he whiffed knowing that a big media spectacle was made about him lying and trying to undermine the program.

Kiffin was already acting like a little punk at Oakland...now we see that Al Davis was not making this chit up.

He is a 34yr old going on 13. But hindsight or not...Hamilton went for the Budget hire....and we got burned
 
#108
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Volfan8282 said:
I'm sure he tried. His job depends on it. I just think the timing messed him up. But who knows? Maybe this guy will be great. Just keep an open mind. Trust me, we'll know soon enough.
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Please show me where he tried? Anybody got something other than opinion here? Show us a link to where Hamilton stated he tried on other coaches and got turned down. You guys keep pulling this chit out of thin air.
 
#109
#109
Volfan8282 said:
I'm sure he tried. His job depends on it. I just think the timing messed him up. But who knows? Maybe this guy will be great. Just keep an open mind. Trust me, we'll know soon enough.
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like I said earlier
I want him to do well, he's the Tennessee coach
but I think Hamilton could have hired a better coach
 
#110
#110
bleedorange1983 said:
You are speculating that Kiffin would have been successful, he had some BAD losses, UCLA, Ole Miss, and VT. He was inconsistent even for his first year here. He could recruit well but history says he sucks at coaching. We never know how it would have all turned out because he screwed us over before we got the chance to find out. Hamilton hired the guy with low-character, he whiffed.
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First, Ole Miss and VT were good to really good teams. UCLA was the one bad team that I'll grant you. Either way, we were razor thin in depth and talent. But, anybody with half a brain could see the tide turning in the program. And, I don't see the "sucks at coaching" deal. He's pretty well-regarded as a smart, creative offensive guy. We'll see how he does at USC, but I think he'll be very successful.

Second, I don't blame Kiffin at all for making the decision he made. I would've made the same choice. If I had the job of my dreams staring me in the face, I would take it too. He had a chance to make him and his family much happier. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would've handled it differently, but I don't fault him for the ultimate decision. If the USC job didn't open up like this, we'd all still be sitting here pumped about the program and how great of a hire it was. I swear that people have the memory of an ant.
 
#111
#111
TENNaciousUTfan said:
Please show me where he tried? Anybody got something other than opinion here? Show us a link to where Hamilton stated he tried on other coaches and got turned down. You guys keep pulling this chit out of thin air.
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Ok... it's known according to ESPN that he talked with Gruden, Calhoun, Muschamp, Patterson, Cutcliffe, Whittingham, Sumlin, Golden, Dooley, and probably Smith.

You don't think he went after the best guys that he could? The success of this coach will directly impact his job security. He has a real incentive to get the best coach.
 
#112
#112
Volfan8282 said:
First, Ole Miss and VT were good to really good teams. UCLA was the one bad team that I'll grant you. Either way, we were razor thin in depth and talent. But, anybody with half a brain could see the tide turning in the program. And, I don't see the "sucks at coaching" deal. He's pretty well-regarded as a smart, creative offensive guy. We'll see how he does at USC, but I think he'll be very successful.

Second, I don't blame Kiffin at all for making the decision he made. I would've made the same choice. If I had the job of my dreams staring me in the face, I would take it too. He had a chance to make him and his family much happier. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would've handled it differently, but I don't fault him for the ultimate decision. If the USC job didn't open up like this, we'd all still be sitting here pumped about the program and how great of a hire it was. I swear that people have the memory of an ant.
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come on
with Ole Miss we knew the wildcat was coming and should have been able to stop it

outside of laying an egg against VT, that was the worse loss of the year,
 
#113
#113
Volfan8282 said:
First, Ole Miss and VT were good to really good teams. UCLA was the one bad team that I'll grant you. Either way, we were razor thin in depth and talent. But, anybody with half a brain could see the tide turning in the program. And, I don't see the "sucks at coaching" deal. He's pretty well-regarded as a smart, creative offensive guy. We'll see how he does at USC, but I think he'll be very successful.

Second, I don't blame Kiffin at all for making the decision he made. I would've made the same choice. If I had the job of my dreams staring me in the face, I would take it too. He had a chance to make him and his family much happier. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would've handled it differently, but I don't fault him for the ultimate decision. If the USC job didn't open up like this, we'd all still be sitting here pumped about the program and how great of a hire it was. I swear that people have the memory of an ant.
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Alabama was a good team too which proves my point when I say he was inconsistent. If we can hang with them and Florida, why are we getting destroyed by VT and Ole Miss? What evidence that you have that Kiffin doesn't suck as a head coach? There isn't any.

I can understand him wanting to leave for USC. But the way he acted while he was here, the embarassing arrests, the secondary violations, the hostess scandal, recruiting fallout etc. The fans stuck up for him and had his back through all of it only for him to leave the way he did. He disgraced this university.

Yeah he might still be here if the USC job never opened up but he ISN'T. You are bringing up too many what ifs. He was an awful hire when it was all said and done. PERIOD.
 
#114
#114
vol_in_il said:
come on
with Ole Miss we knew the wildcat was coming and should have been able to stop it

outside of laying an egg against VT, that was the worse loss of the year,
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Jackson being out hurt us big time in that game. Plus, Monte struggled against the quirky type offenses (Auburn, Ole Miss, UF). Ole Miss was extremely inconsistent, but, when they played well, they were very good. They beat a pretty decent team in their bowl game too. UCLA was a much worse loss.
 
#116
#116
bleedorange1983 said:
Alabama was a good team too which proves my point when I say he was inconsistent. If we can hang with them and Florida, why are we getting destroyed by VT and Ole Miss? What evidence that you have that Kiffin doesn't suck as a head coach? There isn't any.

I can understand him wanting to leave for USC. But the way he acted while he was here, the embarassing arrests, the secondary violations, the hostess scandal, recruiting fallout etc. The fans stuck up for him and had his back through all of it only for him to leave the way he did. He disgraced this university.

Yeah he might still be here if the USC job never opened up but he ISN'T. You are bringing up too many what ifs. He was an awful hire when it was all said and done. PERIOD.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. Me not having any evidence that Kiffin is a "great" head coach doesn't mean that he "sucks" either. That's unbelievably terrible logic. He's yet to be in a situation where he could excel. He's in that spot now at USC. He doesn't have any more excuses or reasons not to showcase his coaching ability. I honestly still think he's unproven to a large degree. But, I did see signs of him being a very good coach.

And as far as all the "problems" you listed while he was here, nothing more than a secondary violation will come from any of that, if that. He can't hold the players hands. I don't put the arrests on him at all. Every university gets MULTIPLE secondary violations. It is a moot point.

And finally, no he WOULD still be here except for the USC deal. He showed the potential of UT and a great path for the next coach. I'm sure Dooley will add his own flair to it, but there are some things that I would copy Kiffin on.
 
#118
#118
Volfan8282 said:
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Me not having any evidence that Kiffin is a "great" head coach doesn't mean that he "sucks" either. That's unbelievably terrible logic. He's yet to be in a situation where he could excel. He's in that spot now at USC. He doesn't have any more excuses or reasons not to showcase his coaching ability. I honestly still think he's unproven to a large degree. But, I did see signs of him being a very good coach.

And as far as all the "problems" you listed while he was here, nothing more than a secondary violation will come from any of that, if that. He can't hold the players hands. I don't put the arrests on him at all. Every university gets MULTIPLE secondary violations. It is a moot point.

And finally, no he WOULD still be here except for the USC deal. He showed the potential of UT and a great path for the next coach. I'm sure Dooley will add his own flair to it, but there are some things that I would copy Kiffin on.
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There is much more evidence to suggest that Kiffin is a bad coach as compared to a good one. He lost on the NFL and he was mediocre here. Yeah it was the Raiders but they didn't make any progress while he was there.

The problems were much more than just the players and secondary violations. He ran his mouth alot, and said some stupid chit that made this university look foolish especially since he didn't stick around to back it up.

He could end up doing alot of great things at USC, but he didn't do enough here IMO.
 
#119
#119
bleedorange1983 said:
There is much more evidence to suggest that Kiffin is a bad coach as compared to a good one. He lost on the NFL and he was mediocre here. Yeah it was the Raiders but they didn't make any progress while he was there.

The problems were much more than just the players and secondary violations. He ran his mouth alot, and said some stupid chit that made this university look foolish especially since he didn't stick around to back it up.

He could end up doing alot of great things at USC, but he didn't do enough here IMO.
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That is utter bull. He improved that team a lot. They were much more competitive with him coaching.

If you looked at the relative talent level at Oakland and UT compared to the NFL and the SEC, respectively, you would know he was in a no-win situation at both places. They were both projects.
 
#121
#121
Volfan8282 said:
That is utter bull. He improved that team a lot. They were much more competitive with him coaching.

If you looked at the relative talent level at Oakland and UT compared to the NFL and the SEC, respectively, you would know he was in a no-win situation at both places. They were both projects.
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An honorable person would've been proud to improve a bad product and win with them instead of running away for greener pastures. Oh wait, he was run off from Oakland.
 
#123
#123
headsmasher said:
Nobody will want to play for Dooffball. Hamilton needs to be canned.:banghead2::mf_surrender:
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There are plenty of players that will come to TN to play for Dooley. I dont understand why we as fans run down someone for coming from a lower-tier conference. Even if his record was less then stellar in his first years as a head coach. He was at a school where not much was expected of him and he exceeded the expectations. Not only while performing his duties as HC but as AD as well. It takes a very hard work ethic in order to pull that off and be successful. Also when you consider that SEC school in particular used them as a punching bag for fun, when there was no where near comparable talent. His record looks even better. I think this is a descent hire for Hamilton and we as the fans should back the university no matter if it turns out to be a goose egg. Otherwise we're no better off then CLK and his band of merry men...
 
#124
#124
Remember folks. He "Kiffined" La-Tech. I guess that's different though. Their kids aren't as important as ours.
 
#125
#125
This isnt a fair thread OP. He did have a better winning % at LA Tech then the Tampa Bay Rays have so think about that for a second. Im on the fence about this, he could be the next Mike Shula but hey Hamilton took a chance on a young coach who has SOME potential. I will take it. Lets enjoy the ride you neurotic goons.
 
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