Dooley Wants Safeties at 215#+

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tvols75 said:
Tackling has been a huge problem for the past decade at TN. Our LBs and DBs have not been good tacklers in a long time. BTW, Berry was not a sound tackler a lot of times. He loved laying the big hits, and we were all wowed. However, he lost a lot of discipline going after big hits all the time.
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If your DBs are the guys you are counting on to make tackles, you are in trouble anyway.
 
#77
#77
emainvol said:
So? It's like the other poster said, 215 was a Chavis linebacker. Tennessee has traditionally had smaller guys in the secondary, and there have been plenty of good tackling safeties on those defenses in the past.
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Well Dooley wants a big physical team now. I'm glad we're getting big on defense. I don't like when RBs like Lattimore hits a Chavis sized LB and just drags them 4-5 yards.
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The Breakerboy said:
Well Dooley wants a big physical team now. I'm glad we're getting big on defense. I don't like when RBs like Lattimore hits a Chavis sized LB and just drags them 4-5 yards.
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You don't have to be big to be physical. You can also be big and be a complete wuss. Remember Jared Lorenzen?
 
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emainvol said:
If your DBs are the guys you are counting on to make tackles, you are in trouble anyway.
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Not really, safeties and corners are a big part of stopping the run now. I wish we had a corner like Finnegan who was very big in stopping the run like he is for the Titans. It opens up a lot of options for a D-Coordinator to have physical tacklers. Wes Rucker has stated in talking with Dooley that he is surprised about the lack of size and speed at LB here.
 
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emainvol said:
You don't have to be big to be physical. You can also be big and be a complete wuss. Remember Jared Lorenzen?
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But that's the point. You can tell who is a "wuss" when evaluating them. With the corners, safeties, and linebackers we are going after, there is an emphasis put on bigger, faster players.
 
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#83
tvols75 said:
Not really, safeties and corners are a big part of stopping the run now. I wish we had a corner like Finnegan who was very big in stopping the run like he is for the Titans. It opens up a lot of options for a D-Coordinator to have physical tacklers. Wes Rucker has stated in talking with Dooley that he is surprised about the lack of size and speed at LB here.
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I don't know about you, but I would much rather my LBs and DLs stop the run well enough that I don't have to worry about it often. Berry came up to play the run last year out of necessity, and it killed us a lot of times. Then we dropped back into coverage, guys would run all over us. It all starts up from. Do I want the guys to be able to tackle? Yeah. Do I think that having a guy that weighs 210 standing in front of a behemoth that weighs 220 (with a head of steam) is going to make that much of a difference? Not really, especially considering the piss pour job the coaches have done with shoring up the fundamentals lately. Hell, arm tackling and going high on guys like Lattimore isn't going to work no matter how big you are.
 
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#84
The Breakerboy said:
Hell does that have to do with a RB like Lattimore punishing smallish LBs?
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Lattimore is going to punish anybody if the guys up front don't slow him down a little before he gets through. He's just that good. Hell, he trucked Barron a couple times, and that's one of the best in the country.
 
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emainvol said:
I don't know about you, but I would much rather my LBs and DLs stop the run well enough that I don't have to worry about it often. Berry came up to play the run last year out of necessity, and it killed us a lot of times. Then we dropped back into coverage, guys would run all over us. It all starts up from. Do I want the guys to be able to tackle? Yeah. Do I think that having a guy that weighs 210 standing in front of a behemoth that weighs 220 (with a head of steam) is going to make that much of a difference? Not really, especially considering the piss pour job the coaches have done with shoring up the fundamentals lately. Hell, arm tackling and going high on guys like Lattimore isn't going to work no matter how big you are.
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Well of course I would like the front 7 to stop them first lol. But corners and safeties are big in playing the run now.
 
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emainvol said:
Lattimore is going to punish anybody if the guys up front don't slow him down a little before he gets through. He's just that good. Hell, he trucked Barron a couple times, and that's one of the best in the country.
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Barron is a good player but he's not dynamic at the safety position. We'll see if he runs over McDaniel when they play Clemson. Lattimore is a damn good back but he won't consistently run over good LBs. It doesn't just happen like that.
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#89
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emainvol said:
fyp.
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You're reading into Dooley's comments way to deep and basing your arguement off of he's saying to be, well exactly what he said when it's not. He wants bigger more physical players at Safety. Nothing more nothing less. But hey, if you keep pushing on that square you will eventually get it through that round hole. Not because you were right but because you were able to wear one or the other down.:)
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
You're reading into Dooley's comments way to deep and basing your arguement off of he's saying to be, well exactly what he said when it's not. He wants bigger more physical players at Safety. Nothing more nothing less. But hey, if you keep pushing on that square you will eventually get it through that round hole. Not because you were right but because you were able to wear one or the other down.:)
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My argument has been consistent, that is that there are plenty of guys who are apparently deemed "undersized" that can tackle just fine.
 
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emainvol said:
My argument has been consistent, that is that there are plenty of guys who are apparently deemed "undersized" that can tackle just fine.
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You named just two that are under 200, one of which is a CB now. There are not plenty guys the size of Janzen Jackson and Prentiss Waggner that are going to be dominant safeties. You named the exception in the UCLA S.
 
#93
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tvols75 said:
You named just two that are under 200, one of which is a CB now. There are not plenty guys the size of Janzen Jackson and Prentiss Waggner that are going to be dominant safeties. You named the exception in the UCLA S.
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Pretty much all those guys I listed from the NFL were under 200 in college.
 
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#94
For anyone who actually cares what Dooley said, as opposed to what is being dreamed up here:

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With Waggner's size and natural abilities, could he maybe be a better corner than a safety?
"Well, you could make a case for the same thing with Janzen, but then who are you going to play at safety? That's the dilemma we're in. Prentiss has good ball skills. He's got more corner-type size, he does. So that's what we're doing now. Brent's got a little better safety size than any of the other guys. He's at 205. He needs to be about 215. But those good safeties are about 215. If you want to go tackle (Marcus Lattimore) and good backs, you've got to have some stout safeties that can come up and hit. We're thin there.

"Janzen really has position specifics for a corner -- his size, speed and everything else. But he's our best defender back there. When he's in the back end, he makes up for a lot mistakes ahead of him and getting guys down. When he's not in the back end, and he wasn't on the long run, it hurts us."

So you're not one of those four corners guys?
"Not in this league. You better be able to come up there and hit a runner in this league. You look at the good teams we're playing, I think Alabama's safeties were about 220. Come up and strike you. You've got to have a bunch of corner guys, too, when it's time to cover. But you can keep those safeties from being exposed in space by your scheme or having a corner guy sit on the bench until it's third and 10 and they put four wides in the game. Then put the little guys in.

"But when the big boys are in, you better have some big boys to match it. And if you don't, it's that old boxing match deal. It's going to hurt you."

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So, he thinks you need big safeties to come up an tackle big, strong backs and that you can use little safeties to cover in the right situations. Anyone who calls that ridiculous is just full of __it.
 
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#99
#99
So emain thinks Alabama's safety is the best in the biz and Dooley thinks that their size is ideal? Interesting thread argument here
 
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ridethelightening said:
So emain thinks Alabama's safety is the best in the biz and Dooley thinks that their size is ideal? Interesting thread argument here
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When did I say he was the best? He is certainly up there, and tvols used him as an example of the best. I said that even he got trucked by Lattimore. The problem is letting him get into the secondary, not the guy standing in his way when he gets there.
 
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