"Dream job"

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Living in Boulder, there was significant confidence that Butch Jones was coming to Colorado. It was even reported in one of the local papers as a done deal. I got some dirty words from people who know I'm a Tennessee fan after Jones was hired.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
Living in Boulder, there was significant confidence that Butch Jones was coming to Colorado. It was even reported in one of the local papers as a done deal. I got some dirty words from people who know I'm a Tennessee fan after Jones was hired.
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Well that's good, I guess... At least they wanted him !!! So I also guess that this thread is closed. We got our guy ! Get behind him or GTFO ! :salute:
 
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I have been privileged to interact with Majors, Fulmer, Kiffin and Dooley during the last few years and had the opportunity to look each in the eye as they proclaimed their belief that UT is/was their dream job..IMO Butch Jones means it with all his heart..I never felt Kiffin meant it..IMO Fulmer was passionate about the HC job but eventually began to take it for granted, Majors loved AND respected the job until he left(and still does), while Dooley did but didn't have the ability to win enough games to keep it..

IMO UT is a dream job for the right person..But you have to REALLY want it..Not as a stepping stone..And not just for the money..CBJ seems to be that person to me..Wins and losses will be the measure of his success but I see a true passion for the job that, quite frankly, I haven't seen in quite some time...

JMHO TIFWIW
 
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Rifleman said:
Facts are stubborn things. Let's settle the "Dream Job" question once and for all.

Butch Jones turned down the Colorado job before he knew whether or not he'd be able to secure an offer to coach at Tennessee. In other words, he decided a job at Cincinnati with even a shot at a UT offer was better than 15+ million dollars from Colorado.

Folks, that's a man who means it when he says "Dream Job."

Also, he'd already told Purdue to stop calling.

Here is the timeline:

On Wednesday, 12/5/2012, in the afternoon Charlie Strong comes to a decision.

Charlie Strong turns down Tennessee offer, will stay at Louisville - Pete Thamel - SI.com

Soon after, Butch Jones, lets Colorado know that 15 million is what he is willing to pay just to get the next interview at Tennessee. The Colorado AD asks one his flacks at the Denver Post to try and kneecap Butch. Mark Kiszla published this hit piece at 9:13 PM.

Mark Kiszla: Butch Jones in a gotta-get-mine, college football cash grab - The Denver Post

On Thursday, 12/6/2012, Dave Hart interviews Butch "somewhere in Kentucky". I imagine a riverboat on the Ohio River, but you make the movie however you want.

Butch Jones' name has surfaced as a possible candidate for Tennessee's head coaching job. | wbir.com

Did Butch "mull it over" when Dave Hart decided, after a long interview, that he'd found his guy? No! He woke the Cincinnati AD up at 5 AM on 12/7 to break the bad/good news. Met his players 2 hours later . . .

Tennessee Volunteers hire Butch Jones as new coach - ESPN

and hustled down to Knoxville to start work . . .

Butch Jones arrives in Knoxville : Knoxville Photo Galleries : Knoxville News Sentinel: Local Knoxville, Tennessee News Delivered Throughout the Day.

In summation, he turned down 2 BCS jobs which would have given him significant pay raises to wait for a chance to coach at the University of Tennessee. Dave Hart had no obligation to offer him the job, but once offered he was on the job in Knoxville in under 12 hours.

This is undoubtedly Coach Jones' "Dream Job". The defense rests its case.
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I happen to agree with you but if I didn't...there'd be no way that I would tell you...knockdown post Rifleman!
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This might be relevant to the topic here. I'm sure if it's not many will let me know about it. :) But I remember reading about the coaches wives coming to the UT game in '11. CBJ said the UC athletic dept allowed the coaches wives pick one game to go to, all expenses paid etc. They picked the Tennessee game to go to. The wives did their own thing while coaches did their meetings etc. After the game and all had setlled down CBJ asked his wife what she thought of the game, the atmosphere, and stadium. Her reply was one word-WOW.
 
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vollygirl said:
What do y'all think about Jones saying this is his dream job?

Before he was hired, I had the attitude that the Tennessee head coaching job should be anybody's dream job.

And then, when we hired somebody who actually said it was, I thought "yeah, right, just saying what we want to hear".


As time has gone by though, I'm thinking why wouldn't it be his dream job? The SEC, the greatest traditions in the SEC, the best fan base in the SEC. Why wouldn't it be his dream job?


I wanna believe he was sincere. Whatcha think?
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No way Tennessee was his dream job, that he always wanted. What I think he meant was that this is one of the few gigs he considers a destination job. I do believe that he stays here as long as he does well, and as long as UT pays him well, if he does.
 
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Boca Vol said:
There's no deal. Tell me, what makes UT traditions the best? They're all unique and special to each respective team...except Vandy and UK.

We, as UT fans, think UT's are the best...but that's not being objective. Bama, Auburn, UGA, & LSU can make the same claim, and according to their fans they would be correct.
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Perhaps the sporting news ranking Neyland stadium as the best place to watch a college football game (citing tradition, scenery, and sheer awesomeness of the stadium) might have something to do with it. Keep on with your jaded outlook though. It suits you.
 
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DownTheField said:
I do think he was/is sincere when he says this is his dream job. I don't think, however, that Tennessee in particular was his dream job. I think that Tennessee fits the bill of a "dream job" for a football coach. Other schools would also fit the bill.

Having said that, once he landed this particular job, he embraced it fully and now Tennessee is his dream job.

I think that- in this regard- there is a real similarity between CBJ and CBP.
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Spot on.
 
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vollygirl said:
What do y'all think about Jones saying this is his dream job?

Before he was hired, I had the attitude that the Tennessee head coaching job should be anybody's dream job.

And then, when we hired somebody who actually said it was, I thought "yeah, right, just saying what we want to hear".

As time has gone by though, I'm thinking why wouldn't it be his dream job? The SEC, the greatest traditions in the SEC, the best fan base in the SEC. Why wouldn't it be his dream job?

I wanna believe he was sincere. Whatcha think?
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Yes. By the way he recruits, talks, and is very vocal during practices. When he says, I want to put UT back to where they belong, on top, I believe it. Very passionate since he has been here, and that's what we need, a coach as passionate as us crazy folks on here about Tennessee Football!
 
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I think if the Tennessee job opened at the same time as the Michigan, Notre Dame, and Alabama jobs, Tennessee would have been 4th on Jones' list.
 
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crusse10 said:
I think if the Tennessee job opened at the same time as the Michigan, Notre Dame, and Alabama jobs, Tennessee would have been 4th on Jones' list.
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An even better question is whether you think Coach Jones would leave for any of those jobs in the next 5 years.
 
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In the video of CBJ's first day, introductory press conference, etc, you can hear CBJ telling Condredge Holloway when first meeting him, "i grew up watching you play". Factor that in with his recruiting east Tennessee for West Virginia, I can see where he would look at Tennessee as his destination job.
 
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I'm sorry, but I don't get the that people say Dooley said the same things. I remember Dooley's press conference, and every thing that CBJ is doing just seems so....sincere. I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but I just have this immense respect for CBJ because I feel that he views Tennessee the same way most of the fans do. This amazingly powerful program that has had tradition just as long as anybody else and he is lucky enough to become the head coach and bring it back to prominence. Some may call me delusional but I believe that it is Tennessee's rightful place to be among the best in the nation.
 
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Here is what I think. Whether or not the Tennessee job was specifically Butch's dream job or if it was generally his dream job is of no concern.

I think that Butch thinks that UT is a top tier program insofar as resources, tradition, fan base, and facilities. UT is a top tier destination program. Before some Debbie Downer tries to drag that statement down, I consider the top tier of NCAA football to be about 20 teams who have comparable resources and tradition, and Tennessee is certainly on that list.

Yes, Tennessee has its own unique problems including, at times, an unreasonable fan base but a chance to take the reins of a program like this is a dream to a competent coach (and a nightmare for a coach who doesn't "get it"). UT being in the SEC presents attractions and shortcomings for a qualified coach. You get to drive a racecar against the best in the business. If you are found wanting, you will be dispatched quickly. If you find success, you will be a hero. Butch has gone all in. I admire that whether or not his statements are to be construed exactly as they appear.

Are there better schools out there? Definitively the answer is yes. There are schools where recruiting is easier, where the money is not as tight, and who have no rebuilding to do in the short term. I don't think that matters to a guy like Jones. I think that he sees UT as a destination job, one where he can make his mark where he is not being hand cuffed by the restrictions of lower tier programs where he has already found his success.

Brian Kelly left Cincy for Notre Dame, going through a similar slump as UT. Jones left Cincy for UT, a similar caliber job. Both are probably dream jobs for guys of either ilk.

I also don't really buy the whole idea that he grew up watching UT. I think he was aware of Tennessee throughout his life, and has probably seen our games televised as we typically have good national coverage. I can even buy that he respected what Tennessee was doing when he was growing up in the same way that I can respect TCU or Stanford or Michigan without following any program closely. I don't think it is a lie, at all, I just think that it is an over statement.

I do believe that Butch was probably impressed with what he saw when he brought his Bearcat team to Neyland. That would have to be one of the more impressive environments that he had ever participated in as a coach.


Bottom line: he seems incredibly grateful to be here, he seems determined to succeed and is working tirelessly. His respect for the traditions and the Tennessee legacy is compelling (But, Dooley seemed to get that part). Some of that work is already paying dividends in recruiting. At this point, there is nothing more I can ask for out of a coach.
 
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daj2576 said:
Here is what I think. Whether or not the Tennessee job was specifically Butch's dream job or if it was generally his dream job is of no concern.

I think that Butch thinks that UT is a top tier program insofar as resources, tradition, fan base, and facilities. UT is a top tier destination program. Before some Debbie Downer tries to drag that statement down, I consider the top tier of NCAA football to be about 20 teams who have comparable resources and tradition, and Tennessee is certainly on that list.

Yes, Tennessee has its own unique problems including, at times, an unreasonable fan base but a chance to take the reins of a program like this is a dream to a competent coach (and a nightmare for a coach who doesn't "get it"). UT being in the SEC presents attractions and shortcomings for a qualified coach. You get to drive a racecar against the best in the business. If you are found wanting, you will be dispatched quickly. If you find success, you will be a hero. Butch has gone all in. I admire that whether or not his statements are to be construed exactly as they appear.

Are there better schools out there? Definitively the answer is yes. There are schools where recruiting is easier, where the money is not as tight, and who have no rebuilding to do in the short term. I don't think that matters to a guy like Jones. I think that he sees UT as a destination job, one where he can make his mark where he is not being hand cuffed by the restrictions of lower tier programs where he has already found his success.

Brian Kelly left Cincy for Notre Dame, going through a similar slump as UT. Jones left Cincy for UT, a similar caliber job. Both are probably dream jobs for guys of either ilk.

I also don't really buy the whole idea that he grew up watching UT. I think he was aware of Tennessee throughout his life, and has probably seen our games televised as we typically have good national coverage. I can even buy that he respected what Tennessee was doing when he was growing up in the same way that I can respect TCU or Stanford or Michigan without following any program closely. I don't think it is a lie, at all, I just think that it is an over statement.

I do believe that Butch was probably impressed with what he saw when he brought his Bearcat team to Neyland. That would have to be one of the more impressive environments that he had ever participated in as a coach.


Bottom line: he seems incredibly grateful to be here, he seems determined to succeed and is working tirelessly. His respect for the traditions and the Tennessee legacy is compelling (But, Dooley seemed to get that part). Some of that work is already paying dividends in recruiting. At this point, there is nothing more I can ask for out of a coach.
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IMO you are spot on. Well said.
 
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If Butch is as successful as some of us believe that he ultimately will be, he can take great pride in "having [awakened] a sleeping giant and [filled it] with a terrible resolve." Before some of you complain or respond with Dooley criticisms, some World War II metaphors actually do work.
 
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DownTheField said:
I do think he was/is sincere when he says this is his dream job. I don't think, however, that Tennessee in particular was his dream job. I think that Tennessee fits the bill of a "dream job" for a football coach. Other schools would also fit the bill.

Having said that, once he landed this particular job, he embraced it fully and now Tennessee is his dream job.

I think that- in this regard- there is a real similarity between CBJ and CBP.
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Almost exactly how I see it.
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Nashvol2 said:
An even better question is whether you think Coach Jones would leave for any of those jobs in the next 5 years.
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If Jones leaves in the next five years it will be for one of two reasons, 1) he was told to leave, or 2) he got an NFL job.

I think for a Coach like Jones there is little difference between top tier programs. He wants to win and win big on a national stage. UT was the only program in the SEC that had what he needed: a vacant head coaching position and the resources to make a serious run.

Jones builds relationships, so if he moves to another school, especially in the SEC, he weakens his ability to recruit which lessons his chances to win, and win big. There is no glory there.

Kiff leaving, as much as it hurt, was fueled by a realization that while he can recruit, he can't do so well enough to win consistently in the SEC. His performance in the PAC is proof of that; stellar recruiting/sub par coaching. That is his history. It is also not the reality the majority of the time at major top tier schools.

Jones has shown that he can recruit above traditional levels at the schools he coaches, and can win games with those recruits. We haven't had a coach who could do both since the early 2000's.
 
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It's his Dream job regarding that this is a place where people Dream about playing/coaching for. So much tradition. Not sure if this was his #1 overall dream job because where he was from.. I'd think Michigan or Notre Dame would be his "favorites" but who knows.

I'm not a basketball coach but you could easily say that North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, etc.. are top notch programs that coaches "dream" about.

Butch doesn't take Tennessee for granted, and that's a good thing. Dooley, just looked at us like a "job" and was so so about it.
 
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daj2576 said:
If Jones leaves in the next five years it will be for one of two reasons, 1) he was told to leave, or 2) he got an NFL job.

I think for a Coach like Jones there is little difference between top tier programs. He wants to win and win big on a national stage. UT was the only program in the SEC that had what he needed: a vacant head coaching position and the resources to make a serious run.

Jones builds relationships, so if he moves to another school, especially in the SEC, he weakens his ability to recruit which lessons his chances to win, and win big. There is no glory there.

Kiff leaving, as much as it hurt, was fueled by a realization that while he can recruit, he can't do so well enough to win consistently in the SEC. His performance in the PAC is proof of that; stellar recruiting/sub par coaching. That is his history. It is also not the reality the majority of the time at major top tier schools.

Jones has shown that he can recruit above traditional levels at the schools he coaches, and can win games with those recruits. We haven't had a coach who could do both since the early 2000's.
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I happen to agree with you. I just thought it was a better question than asking who Jones would have chosen over UT when he left Cincinnati.
 
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