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#76
#76
so now your quote means something totally different? good way to work it.

either way, you're foolish to believe the cameron crazies don't have an impact, or that TBA even comes close.
 
#77
#77
volfanbill said:
so now your quote means something totally different? good way to work it.

either way, you're foolish to believe the cameron crazies don't have an impact, or that TBA even comes close.
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Uhm... Not my quote means exactly what it meant before. The Cameron Indoor Stadium homecourt advantage for DU has more to do with officiating and the type of teams Duke has put out in the past than it does the Cameron Crazies.

And the numbers prove it.
 
#78
#78
dickens, you are an idiot.

ask any sports analyst, not just basketball, to name their top 5 most famed stadiums/arenas/etc and their top 5 picks for toughest places to play, and Cameron Indoor will appear in, i'm guessing, 85% of those lists. and that's on the low side. this is because of the Cameron Crazies. they provide such a homecourt advantage, that it's not even funny.

Duke has lost more games, not just home, in the past years because of the drop-off in talent.

here is the team from the 01 championship team: battier, boozer, duhon, dunleavy, horvath, nate james, reggie love, casey sanders, jay williams.
^that is a team stacked at every position

here is the team now (though we are looking to be better than the past couple of years): singler, thomas, paulus, nelson, smith, king, henderson, mcclure, scheyer, zoubek.
^that team is a guard heavy team w/ virtually no inside man.


the talent of the teams has dropped off significantly. probably because recruiting has been harder since roy went to unc. just a guess there. but the talent has dropped off bad.
 
#79
#79
dickens821 said:
Uhm... Not my quote means exactly what it meant before. The Cameron Indoor Stadium homecourt advantage for DU has more to do with officiating and the type of teams Duke has put out in the past than it does the Cameron Crazies.

And the numbers prove it.
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Duke has won many many games over the past 20 years, and most importantly to this argument the past 3 years thanks to it's homecourt advantage. There are several games Duke would have lost over the past few years had it not been for the Crazies. You're argument is completely void of any substance that states otherwise.
 
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#80
usat&f said:
dickens, you are an idiot.

ask any sports analyst, not just basketball, to name their top 5 most famed stadiums/arenas/etc and their top 5 picks for toughest places to play, and Cameron Indoor will appear in, i'm guessing, 85% of those lists. and that's on the low side. this is because of the Cameron Crazies. they provide such a homecourt advantage, that it's not even funny.

Duke has lost more games, not just home, in the past years because of the drop-off in talent.

here is the team from the 01 championship team: battier, boozer, duhon, dunleavy, horvath, nate james, reggie love, casey sanders, jay williams.
^that is a team stacked at every position

here is the team now (though we are looking to be better than the past couple of years): singler, thomas, paulus, nelson, smith, king, henderson, mcclure, scheyer, zoubek.
^that team is a guard heavy team w/ virtually no inside man.


the talent of the teams has dropped off significantly. probably because recruiting has been harder since roy went to unc. just a guess there. but the talent has dropped off bad.
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Which would indicate their power at home in the past has been due to TALENT not the Cameron Crazies! How do you not understand that. It's SIMPLE logic.
 
#81
#81
volfanbill said:
Duke has won many many games over the past 20 years, and most importantly to this argument the past 3 years thanks to it's homecourt advantage. There are several games Duke would have lost over the past few years had it not been for the Crazies. You're argument is completely void of any substance that states otherwise.
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You said it yourself earlier in the thread that the dropoff in homecourt advantage over the past years is the talent. The Cameron Crazies are still there.
 
#82
#82
dickens821 said:
Which would indicate their power at home in the past has been due to TALENT not the Cameron Crazies! How do you not understand that. It's SIMPLE logic.
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no you're the one missing the simple logic that they both play a factor. To act like they don't is nonsense.
 
#83
#83
Duke University is the best home court advantage in the nation in basketball.

USAt&f... i rip more than ANYONE about duke and officiating and charge calls, etc.... but i can sit here and say honestly that they have the best home court cuz of those fans in that building. I'd be scared/excited to play that.. excited cuz it's Coach K and the dukies, scared cuz it's cameron indoor coach k and the dukies.
 
#84
#84
stretch your theory of home court winning pct and SOS to the past 10 years and let me know what you come up with.
 
#85
#85
dickens821 said:
Which would indicate their power at home in the past has been due to TALENT not the Cameron Crazies! How do you not understand that. It's SIMPLE logic.
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you're wrong. they have also lost more away games. only reason why they won so many games at home is because of the cameron crazies. and any close games they had at home were because the crazies made it that way. unless you have been to a duke game in durham, you will not understand the power the cameron crazies hold.
 
#87
#87
volfanbill said:
stretch your theory of home court winning pct and SOS to the past 10 years and let me know what you come up with.
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You mean.... Their home court advantage goes up as their talent level goes up?

That's EXACTLY my argument.

Thank you for continuing to agree with me.
 
#88
#88
dickens821 said:
You mean.... Their home court advantage goes up as their talent level goes up?

That's EXACTLY my argument.

Thank you for continuing to agree with me.
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geez. Do you even have a brain dickens? You're making TnFan07 look like a Harvard Law student.

Talent and home court advantage are two COMPLETELY different factors. they don't coincide with one another. Take away the crazies and the Dukies lose 2 more games a year the past few years because of their significant dip in talent.
 
#90
#90
Dbake005 said:
who are you a fan of?

and do you pay any attention?
they get AFTER the other team.. which is what a home crowd is supposed to DO!!
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Chanting "Orphan!" at a kid who's dad murdered the mother, then turned the gun on himself...

classless.
 
#91
#91
volfanbill said:
geez. Do you even have a brain dickens? You're making TnFan07 look like a Harvard Law student.

Talent and home court advantage are two COMPLETELY different factors. they don't coincide with one another. Take away the crazies and the Dukies lose 2 more games a year the past few years because of their significant dip in talent.
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Losing 4 games in a year at home for Duke is terrible.

Especially to FSU, and Va Tech.
 
#92
#92
dickens, i'll try to provide an answer for you, hopefully you are smart enough to understand.


did you watch the duke-maryland game the other day? duke, #3 team (and deservedly so) in the nation, barely escaped a win against maryland, a teams that sucks. wanna know why? because of the maryland fans. now, maryland's fans create an environment similar to what the cameron crazies do. now, would you agree with me that the talent at maryland has dropped of significantly since their championship year? so how were they able to stay so close to duke, despite being the inferior team talent-wise? the fans. that's what. they are so hostile that it rattles the opposing players. this parallels the cameron crazies, only the crazies are better at it.
 
#93
#93
usat&f said:
dickens, i'll try to provide an answer for you, hopefully you are smart enough to understand.


did you watch the duke-maryland game the other day? duke, #3 team (and deservedly so) in the nation, barely escaped a win against maryland, a teams that sucks. wanna know why? because of the maryland fans. now, maryland's fans create an environment similar to what the cameron crazies do. now, would you agree with me that the talent at maryland has dropped of significantly since their championship year? so how were they able to stay so close to duke, despite being the inferior team talent-wise? the fans. that's what. they are so hostile that it rattles the opposing players. this parallels the cameron crazies, only the crazies are better at it.
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Wait so you are saying the Crazies are just like any other student section out there? So you agree that they are overrated.... gotcha.
 
#95
#95
dickens821 said:
Chanting "Orphan!" at a kid who's dad murdered the mother, then turned the gun on himself...

classless.
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Kentucky, Maryland, UCONN, 'Cuse, UNC and VT are all schools that I immediately can remember that have said remarks just as bad. Not to mention that names that JJ Redick was called while he played college ball no matter where Duke travelled to. The classless student section is part of the game.

UT students creating a cheer with cursing it during the Bama game two years ago is classless as well.
 
#96
#96
volfanbill said:
Kentucky, Maryland, UCONN, 'Cuse, UNC and VT are all schools that I immediately can remember that have said remarks just as bad. Not to mention that names that JJ Redick was called while he played college ball no matter where Duke travelled to. The classless student section is part of the game.

UT students creating a cheer with cursing it during the Bama game two years ago is classless as well.
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NOTHING is as bad as mocking a kid for his dad committing a murder-suicide.
 
#98
#98
dickens821 said:
Losing 4 games in a year at home for Duke is terrible.

Especially to FSU, and Va Tech.
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I never said it wasn't. But relying on Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts will do that to you. Duke escaped several other games that should have been losses thanks to their home court advantage.
 
#100
#100
dickens821 said:
Wait so you are saying the Crazies are just like any other student section out there? So you agree that they are overrated.... gotcha.
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WHATTT????????????????? where in the world do i say something that even gives the idea of them being overrated??????


maryland's homecourt advantage is far superior than most teams in the nation, BESIDES DUKE. Cameron Crazies are the whole reason why Duke is the toughest place to play in college baseball, maybe even in all of sports in america. hence why it is so famed, and why krzyzewskiville is so famous. any other college could have that and it would go unnoticed.
 
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