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#126
volfanbill said:
But relying on Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts will do that to you.
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You know they're both McDonald's All-Americans, and you know that McRoberts was the McDonald's Player of the Year.

I see - so THAT's why they didn't perform as well.
 
#127
#127
The Crazies make a lot of noise and sit inches away from the court. That contributes to the homecourt advantage at Cameron Indoor.

If you think the Crazies are the only reason for the advantage, you aren't paying attention to the other factors, several of which I stated earlier in the thread. The specific words that come out of their mouth contribute exactly 0% to the homecourt advantage. They might make the students laugh, but they have no bearing on the other team at all. It's just noise.
 
#128
#128
TennNC said:
You know they're both McDonald's All-Americans, and you know that McRoberts was the McDonald's Player of the Year.

I see - so THAT's why they didn't perform as well.
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you also know that scouting players out of high school can be tricky. While I would say picking out all america basketball players is easier than picking out football players, it's still somewhat of a crapshoot. With how they look(ed) in college, I think it's safe to say McDonald's blew it on Paulus and McRoberts.
 
#130
#130
volfanbill said:
where is anyone saying the Crazies are the only reason?
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from usat&f, for example:

"ask any sports analyst, not just basketball, to name their top 5 most famed stadiums/arenas/etc and their top 5 picks for toughest places to play, and Cameron Indoor will appear in, i'm guessing, 85% of those lists. and that's on the low side. this is because of the Cameron Crazies. they provide such a homecourt advantage, that it's not even funny."
 
#131
#131
volfanbill said:
you also know that scouting players out of high school can be tricky. While I would say picking out all america basketball players is easier than picking out football players, it's still somewhat of a crapshoot. With how they look(ed) in college, I think it's safe to say McDonald's blew it on Paulus and McRoberts.
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You know that McRoberts is now playing in the NBA, right?
 
#132
#132
TennNC said:
from usat&f, for example:

"ask any sports analyst, not just basketball, to name their top 5 most famed stadiums/arenas/etc and their top 5 picks for toughest places to play, and Cameron Indoor will appear in, i'm guessing, 85% of those lists. and that's on the low side. this is because of the Cameron Crazies. they provide such a homecourt advantage, that it's not even funny."
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it appears that usat&f is stating that Cameron Indoor is a tough place to play because of the Cameron Crazies. He's not stating anywhere that playing Duke is tough only because of the Crazies. Comprehension is a valuable tool.

TennNC said:
You know that McRoberts is now playing in the NBA, right?
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yeah, i'm sure Milo is delighted that McRoberts is wearing a Trailblazers uniform. You are aware that getting drafted and playing are two different things aren't you? McRob hasn't played since Dec 30. He's played in a whopping 8 total minutes this year.
 
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#133
TennNC said:
You know that McRoberts is now playing in the NBA, right?
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Has McRoberts rejoined an NBA roster, b/c I was flipping through and came across an NBADL game(North Dakota vs. some team with the Fighting Ants as their mascot) and McRoberts was playing for the North Dakota team.
 
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#134
volfanbill said:
yeah, i'm sure Milo is delighted that McRoberts is wearing a Trailblazers uniform. You are aware that getting drafted and playing are two different things aren't you? McRob hasn't played since Dec 30. He's played in a whopping 8 total minutes this year.
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I don't care if McRoberts hasn't played one minute. He was drafted #37 in the NBA draft. He is a professional basketball player now. Minus the foreign players, the pro scouts deemed him the 31st best player in college last year. He doesn't suck.

If McDonald's was wrong about McRoberts and Paulus, then were they also wrong about Henderson, Nelson, Lance Thomas, and Scheyer? You're telling me that 6 McDonald's All-Americans, including a current NBA player, wasn't enough talent for K to win with?

He's a great coach who had a bad season. What's wrong with admitting that?
 
#135
#135
McRoberts has also suffered more from horrendous attitude and being a bit soft than he has from any lack of ability. The guy can and will play in the NBA, unless he just never makes the effort.
 
#137
#137
TennNC said:
I don't care if McRoberts hasn't played one minute. He was drafted #37 in the NBA draft. He is a professional basketball player now. Minus the foreign players, the pro scouts deemed him the 31st best player in college last year. He doesn't suck.

If McDonald's was wrong about McRoberts and Paulus, then were they also wrong about Henderson, Nelson, Lance Thomas, and Scheyer? You're telling me that 6 McDonald's All-Americans, including a current NBA player, wasn't enough talent for K to win with?

He's a great coach who had a bad season. What's wrong with admitting that?
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Shavlik Randolph was a Mcdonalds All American to....

What a talent he was.
 
#138
#138
justingroves said:
McRoberts is actually in the NBA D-League
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I stand corrected. But that doesn't change the fact he was drafted 37th overall and has played in the NBA, which is more than 95% of DI college basketball players will ever accomplish. And he still may return to the league.
 
#139
#139
TennNC said:
I stand corrected. But that doesn't change the fact he was drafted 37th overall and has played in the NBA, which is more than 95% of DI college basketball players will ever accomplish. And he still may return to the league.
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I agree with that. I wasn't dogging McRoberts at all.
 
#140
#140
VolfanMike said:
Shavlik Randolph was a Mcdonalds All American to....

What a talent he was.
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Shav wasn't on Duke's team last year. But he was good enough to earn some PT with the Philadelphia 76ers, who play in the NBA. If not for a broken ankle he could be playing now.

Ask any scout and they'll tell you Randolph was an incredible talent in HS - UNC, Florida, NC State and Duke all desperately wanted him, so if McD's misjudged him, then everyone misjudged him.

But by most assessments, K misplayed him. He's a tall guy but not a banger - more of a face the basket, mid-range jumper, good passer. K tried to make him a banger, and it failed.
 
#142
#142
volfanbill said:
it appears that usat&f is stating that Cameron Indoor is a tough place to play because of the Cameron Crazies. He's not stating anywhere that playing Duke is tough only because of the Crazies. Comprehension is a valuable tool.
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so nicely done.

Duke's tough to play because of talent, and because they're a top 5 team in the nation. CAMERON is tough because of the crazies. at the risk of beating a dead horse...
 
#143
#143
Dbake005 said:
so nicely done.

Duke's tough to play because of talent, and because they're ranked in the top 5 in the nation. CAMERON is tough because of the crazies. at the risk of beating a dead horse...
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I'm not ready to say the Blue Devils are a legitimate top 5 team right now.
 
#144
#144
volfanbill said:
it appears that usat&f is stating that Cameron Indoor is a tough place to play because of the Cameron Crazies. He's not stating anywhere that playing Duke is tough only because of the Crazies. Comprehension is a valuable tool.
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Comprehension indeed is a valuable tool. Let me help you comprehend.

The post you refer to and every post of mine throughout this thread focused on the topic at hand - the advantage of playing at Cameron Indoor, not simply about playing against Duke. So, if you're going to argue, at least argue with what I actually wrote, which I'll provide for you here:

"The Crazies make a lot of noise and sit inches away from the court. That contributes to the homecourt advantage at Cameron Indoor." I state once again that it's not the only reason it's an advantage.

Multiple posters still are posting that THE reason (not one of THE reasons) Cameron is such a huge advantage is b/c of the Crazies.

BTW, have you ever been to a game at Cameron?
 
#145
#145
Dbake005 said:
so nicely done.

Duke's tough to play because of talent, and because they're a top 5 team in the nation. CAMERON is tough because of the crazies. at the risk of beating a dead horse...
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I'd check the accuracy of his post before doling out compliments like that. My argument always centered around playing at Cameron, not simply playing Duke.
 
#146
#146
i'm not saying the crazies are the only reason why cameron is tough. but they are the main contributers(sp?). it doesn't matter how good or how bad the team is, cameron will be a tough place to play at because of the crazies. the crazies are above average (if the not the best) fans when it comes to cheering and rattling opposing teams. and duke, like ever other team and their own fans, feeds off this energy that the crazies create, thus making the crazies the main contributers.
 
#147
#147
usat&f said:
i'm not saying the crazies are the only reason why cameron is tough. but they are the main contributers(sp?). it doesn't matter how good or how bad the team is, cameron will be a tough place to play at because of the crazies. the crazies are above average (if the not the best) fans when it comes to cheering and rattling opposing teams. and duke, like ever other team and their own fans, feeds off this energy that the crazies create, thus making the crazies the main contributers.
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I'd say the plethora of McDonald's All-Americans in Duke jerseys make it a little more tough than the people in the stands.
 
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#148
yes, duke's talent helps them win, no doubt. but like i said, when duke lacks talent, it is still almost impossible to win at cameron because of the crazies and the energy they provide. the duke players feed off of it (even if they suck) and they opposing players are rattled by it.
 
#149
#149
TennNC said:
Comprehension indeed is a valuable tool. Let me help you comprehend.

The post you refer to and every post of mine throughout this thread focused on the topic at hand - the advantage of playing at Cameron Indoor, not simply about playing against Duke. So, if you're going to argue, at least argue with what I actually wrote, which I'll provide for you here:

"The Crazies make a lot of noise and sit inches away from the court. That contributes to the homecourt advantage at Cameron Indoor." I state once again that it's not the only reason it's an advantage.

Multiple posters still are posting that THE reason (not one of THE reasons) Cameron is such a huge advantage is b/c of the Crazies.

BTW, have you ever been to a game at Cameron?
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you still haven't pointed out a single thread that states the crazies are the only reason Duke is tough at home. We are simply stating it's one of the many reasons. However, for you to pretend that Shavlik Randolph, Josh McRoberts and Greg Paulus are great players is asinine. No one argued with your statements. The argument stemmed from dickens' hairbrained theory that the crazies are overrated and TBA is a tougher place to play.
 
#150
#150
usat&f said:
i'm not saying the crazies are the only reason why cameron is tough. but they are the main contributers(sp?). it doesn't matter how good or how bad the team is, cameron will be a tough place to play at because of the crazies. the crazies are above average (if the not the best) fans when it comes to cheering and rattling opposing teams. and duke, like ever other team and their own fans, feeds off this energy that the crazies create, thus making the crazies the main contributers.
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have you been to a game there?
 
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