Electric Vehicles

[Orangeburst]

He was born in South Africa, so he's out, but I'd vote for him if he was eligible.

So he would be the second American President from the African continent.

 

[Vol423]

Nice! I've got an 05 MDX with about 190k on it.

Also have some parts if you ever need.

I was getting ready to say that parts are like gold these days. However, gold sucks. I'd keep those parts if I were you. VERY difficult to come by parts for anything these days.

 

[Vol423]

As Dave Barry says….you will expel meals you haven’t even eaten yet

Wonderful. I have colonoscopy #1 coming up later this month. I'm not looking forward to it at all.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one

Fast-charging stations charge high rates

The national average for a gallon of gas hit $4.25 on Wednesday, up from $4.17 the day before, and it is expected to rise as the fallout of economic sanctions levied on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine continues to trickle through the petroleum industry.

U.S. electricity prices, which are heavily regulated in most states, have remained stable, however, and the cost to charge an electric car is still much lower than filling up one with an internal combustion engine, but only if you have a place to plug it in at home or a lot of time on your hands.

According to the EPA, the national average for a kilowatt-hour of electricity is 13 cents, including at homes where most electric car owners charge their vehicles with 240-volt Level 2 chargers that typically take eight hours or more to fill them up. Many of these are also available in public settings like office and shopping center parking lots, where they are known as destination chargers.

The entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E starts at $37,495 after deducting an available $7,500 federal tax credit for EV purchases. (George Rose/Getty Images)

At the higher rate, charging the entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E -- which has a starting price of $37,495 after federal tax credits are deducted and a range of 247 miles between charges -- would cost $2,100 annually for 15,000 miles of driving, compared to $1,500 at 31 cents and just $650 in an average home.

In contrast, a similarly sized Ford Escape Hybrid that starts at $32,780 and gets 41 mpg needs just $1,550 worth of gas each year to fill up at $4.25 per gallon, and it's $2,100 for a nonhybrid $27,755 Escape S rated at 30 mpg. In California, which has the highest priced gasoline at $5.57 per gallon, those costs would be $2,050 and $2,800.

Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one

 

[Orangeburst]

Did you get a sensation that you were riding a Saturn V rocket the night before?

My normal nightlife is non ur business.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Wonderful. I have colonoscopy #1 coming up later this month. I'm not looking forward to it at all.

It is a LOT better than it used to be. The actual procedure itself is never a problem as you are under. It is the prep that gives it a bad rap. The solution they give you now is a lot easier to stomach (no pun intended). And there is a lot less to drink. When I took one a in the 90s due to some digestive issues in my youth, you had to drink a full gallon of liquid laxative, 8 oz every five minutes till it was gone. And it caused a lot of discomfort and kept you up way past midnight. The new solution is a lot less to drink and a lot gentler on the system

 

[Orangeburst]

Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one

Fast-charging stations charge high rates

The national average for a gallon of gas hit $4.25 on Wednesday, up from $4.17 the day before, and it is expected to rise as the fallout of economic sanctions levied on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine continues to trickle through the petroleum industry.

U.S. electricity prices, which are heavily regulated in most states, have remained stable, however, and the cost to charge an electric car is still much lower than filling up one with an internal combustion engine, but only if you have a place to plug it in at home or a lot of time on your hands.

According to the EPA, the national average for a kilowatt-hour of electricity is 13 cents, including at homes where most electric car owners charge their vehicles with 240-volt Level 2 chargers that typically take eight hours or more to fill them up. Many of these are also available in public settings like office and shopping center parking lots, where they are known as destination chargers.

The entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E starts at $37,495 after deducting an available $7,500 federal tax credit for EV purchases. (George Rose/Getty Images)

At the higher rate, charging the entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E -- which has a starting price of $37,495 after federal tax credits are deducted and a range of 247 miles between charges -- would cost $2,100 annually for 15,000 miles of driving, compared to $1,500 at 31 cents and just $650 in an average home.

In contrast, a similarly sized Ford Escape Hybrid that starts at $32,780 and gets 41 mpg needs just $1,550 worth of gas each year to fill up at $4.25 per gallon, and it's $2,100 for a nonhybrid $27,755 Escape S rated at 30 mpg. In California, which has the highest priced gasoline at $5.57 per gallon, those costs would be $2,050 and $2,800.

Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one

So we are just shifting rising costs? What until we have to finance all these new energy plants...supply and demand will cause even greater inflationary impact. Seems,,,,,so government.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Who on VolNation has an Electric Vehicle charging station at their home?

 

[Orangeburst]

It is a LOT better than it used to be. The actual procedure itself is never a problem as you are under. It is the prep that gives it a bad rap. The solution they give you now is a lot easier to stomach (no pun intended). And there is a lot less to drink. When I took one a in the 90s due to some digestive issues in my youth, you had to drink a full gallon of liquid laxative, 8 oz every five minutes till it was gone. And it caused a lot of discomfort and kept you up way past midnight. The new solution is a lot less to drink and a lot gentler on the system

Well this was like number 5 for me and yes you used to have to drink gallons of liquid. The new stuff is just (2) small bottles followed by moderate water intake over several hours. I did have to awake at 2AM for the second bottle and drink 24 ounces. That wears you out more than anything. When you drink that voluminous prep, it was Katie bar the door. One drink of it and it literally took seconds to "ride the rocket"...over and over.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

So we are just shifting rising costs? What until we have to finance all these new energy plants...supply and demand will cause even greater inflationary impact. Seems,,,,,so government.

Just imagine the immense strain on Mexifornia's electrical grid if there were several million electric vehicles charging up every day. Right now there are about 14 Million, maybe more, registered motor vehicles in Mexifornia.

 

[Orangeburst]

Who on VolNation has an Electric Vehicle charging station at their home?

Solution folks...hook dryer up to an alternator and run the cats! Viola 230V

 

[AM64]

Easy there, that's socialist talk!!!

I know, but sometimes capitalism gets a little too aggressive and too focused to consider the greater good. For example, the part about globalism and nationalism; sometimes you have to consider things other than pure market forces and profits. Even in sports and war, we've seen that there have to be some rules to temper things. It's really a problem when too much focus is placed on short term thinking, profitability, and plans and goals because those are often not at all aligned with long term needs. You can eat stuff that's bad for your health, and it fits the short term desire, but in the long run it was a bad choice. The most costly errors that people make are generally those done in the heat of the moment with no regard to the delayed consequences. If business can't focus correctly on aspects like energy needs where long term strategy is required, then somebody else has to ... and unfortunately our political system is as poorly organized to do that as the corporate community.

 

[AM64]

Batteries prices have gone crazy. Recently replaced one on the lawnmower $59.99. Last summer I bought the same battery for another mower for $29.99

I've just been putting mine on the charger until it will start. Sounds like that wasn't a great plan last year if battery prices have increased like that.

 

[AM64]

The US was energy independent prior to Biden's inauguration. If that was a goal, why did the Democrats undo that almost immediately once they got the White House back?

The major issue lost in all of this is the electricity to charge all of these cars and vehicles has to be created somewhere. Most estimates are the US will need an additional 30-100% of electricity production and the corresponding infrastructure to transmit power to replace fossil fueled vehicles.

Where are plans to build all these new power plants and transmission lines? What's a realistic time frame to build all this that takes into account the years of permitting, court actions and environmental studies it takes to build anything of substance in this country now?

The uncertainty in need and timeline means that business and investment markets aren't going to jump on it and build what will be needed at some uncertain point in the future - just not geared that way. People want a return on investment, and they want it now.

 

[kiddiedoc]

So, I just looked up some numbers.

There are currently 287 million registered automobiles in the U.S. Approximately 500,000 EVs were sold here last year, 6 million worldwide. So, if we could ramp up production to meet a ten-fold increase in demand/purchases (which would obviously take several years for manufacturers to pull off), we could replace our automobile fleet in the U.S. in just about a half a century.

Sounds like a great plan. Until then, we should be able to handle $5/gallon at the pump.

Another thought: has anyone considered what interstate travel would look like? Spring Breakers: when you are stuck in bumper to bumper madness between Birmingham and Montgomery, imagine the sheer magnitude of charging stations that would required to handle that kind of traffic. We would have to build charging lots the size of airport parking all along major thoroughfares. WTF do you do if you're at a standstill and need to run heat or AC for a couple of hours? What happens with all the dead battery casualties piled up on the side of the road?

It just doesn't make any sense with current technology.

 

[C-south]

So, I just looked up some numbers.

There are currently 287 million registered automobiles in the U.S. Approximately 500,000 EVs were sold here last year, 6 million worldwide. So, if we could ramp up production to meet a ten-fold increase in demand/purchases (which would obviously take several years for manufacturers to pull off), we could replace our automobile fleet in the U.S. in just about a half a century.

Sounds like a great plan. Until then, we should be able to handle $5/gallon at the pump.

Another thought: has anyone considered what interstate travel would look like? Spring Breakers: when you are stuck in bumper to bumper madness between Birmingham and Montgomery, imagine the sheer magnitude of charging stations that would required to handle that kind of traffic. We would have to build charging lots the size of airport parking all along major thoroughfares. WTF do you do if you're at a standstill and need to run heat or AC for a couple of hours? What happens with all the dead battery casualties piled up on the side of the road?

It just doesn't make any sense with current technology.

Just hook up a trailer with battery expansion. That would be practical.

 

[TheDeeble]

So when I am driving through downtown atlanta with 6 million other people all these people are going hunting or hauling something on the regular.

Probably not. But all those people driving sedans or even coupes aren’t stacked out with people either. Waaaay beyond their needs.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Another thought: has anyone considered what interstate travel would look like? Spring Breakers: when you are stuck in bumper to bumper madness between Birmingham and Montgomery, imagine the sheer magnitude of charging stations that would required to handle that kind of traffic. We would have to build charging lots the size of airport parking all along major thoroughfares. WTF do you do if you're at a standstill and need to run heat or AC for a couple of hours? What happens with all the dead battery casualties piled up on the side of the road?

It just doesn't make any sense with current technology.

Or consider what a hurricane evacuation from South Florida or any other coastal area would look like. They are a total cluster now when you can carry extra gas cans in/on your vehicle that may have a range of 300 plus miles.

Try getting out of Miami in an electric vehicle with a 200 mile range under the best conditions and that needs a lot longer to recharge than to fill a gas tank.

 

[AM64]

We COULD do that at anytime because we are right on the cusp of net importer/exporter in any given year. If producers aren’t running at max capacity then net importer vs net exporter isn’t the true measure of energy independence, it’s actually oil consumption vs max production capacity.

Did you know that some imports are crude oil and some exports are refined petroleum products? There are a lot of factors to take into account when you tally up oil imports and exports. Forget the fact checkers - they lie. The "facts" may be true but they don't necessarily represent what you are led to think they do. No different from statisticians ... you just have to frame the argument correctly to get a certain point of view.

 

[OHvol40]

Did you know that some imports are crude oil and some exports are refined petroleum products? There are a lot of factors to take into account when you tally up oil imports and exports. Forget the fact checkers - they lie. The "facts" may be true but they don't necessarily represent what you are led to think they do. No different from statisticians ... you just have to frame the argument correctly to get a certain point of view.

I don’t really disagree, it is a complex subject on a large scale. Hence why I think it’s silly to proclaim the US as energy independent/dependent.

 

[AM64]

I did. Still disagree with this statement: "Net Exporter != Energy Independent."

You could easily be right on that. If a country exports LPG in great quantities, it still might have to import crude for processing into gasoline and other products, but records could show that the country was a net exporter of petroleum. Another factor is that oil products are also used for non energy products like fertilizer and plastics. The devil is in the details ... and so is the real truth.

 

[AM64]

Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment.[14] No engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work so far.

If his claims are true, then anyone who can reproduce his results will become rich beyond all comprehension. Rich enough to protect themselves from Big Oil assassins.

I've never read his work, but there's a lot of oxygen and hydrogen in water. You can produce a lot of energy in combining oxygen and hydrogen ... and water. The one thing that thermodynamics absolutely says it that it takes energy to disassociate the oxygen and hydrogen in water - and that there will be losses. So if you were disassembling water molecules and reassembling them for power, there's no way it would work ... that's perpetual motion and beyond kind of territory. Like the cold fusion people invented years ago was too good to be true ... and it was slick and not true. Now if RavinDave, has some magic catalysts ... but then he wouldn't be on VN hobnobbing with us

 

[Orangeburst]

You could easily be right on that. If a country exports LPG in great quantities, it still might have to import crude for processing into gasoline and other products, but records could show that the country was a net exporter of petroleum. Another factor is that oil products are also used for non energy products like fertilizer and plastics. The devil is in the details ... and so is the real truth.

So much truth...in all we discuss on here.

 

[AM64]

Who has rich nickel deposits?

The pertinent question is who has ore that hasn't been cornered by the Chinese. They like buying up mines and deposits, and people keep letting them do it.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

So, I just looked up some numbers.

There are currently 287 million registered automobiles in the U.S. Approximately 500,000 EVs were sold here last year, 6 million worldwide. So, if we could ramp up production to meet a ten-fold increase in demand/purchases (which would obviously take several years for manufacturers to pull off), we could replace our automobile fleet in the U.S. in just about a half a century.

Sounds like a great plan. Until then, we should be able to handle $5/gallon at the pump.

Another thought: has anyone considered what interstate travel would look like? Spring Breakers: when you are stuck in bumper to bumper madness between Birmingham and Montgomery, imagine the sheer magnitude of charging stations that would required to handle that kind of traffic. We would have to build charging lots the size of airport parking all along major thoroughfares. WTF do you do if you're at a standstill and need to run heat or AC for a couple of hours? What happens with all the dead battery casualties piled up on the side of the road?

It just doesn't make any sense with current technology.

The leftist filth will create the electric vehicle crisis. They already have a very expensive plan to fix it.