Electric Vehicles

#201
#201
825VOL said:
People should not have to "justify" owning a truck or anything else. It seems that you and others think they should only drive their trucks under certain circumstances. That means they have to buy an EV for the other times at a cost of 60-100K. That is ridiculous.
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I think it's ridiculous to complain about costs while buying the more expensive option, truck vs a car, that comes with bigger associated costs in fuel and maintenance of a bigger heavier vehicle.
 
#202
#202
AM64 said:
I drive a sedan because I don't want to drive a truck on a daily basis, but there are times I'd kill for a truck. The last time I had both it was a PITA between moving one to get to the other and the wife telling me I had too many vehicles. I can see with the new cabs in trucks why a lot of people just go that way and drop the car.
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A lot of people agree, which is a big reason why Ford pre-ordered their entire 2022 production capacity for the Maverick in like 4 months.
 
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#203
#203
LouderVol said:
I think it's ridiculous to complain about costs while buying the more expensive option, truck vs a car, that comes with bigger associated costs in fuel and maintenance of a bigger heavier vehicle.
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Yes but he has the choice, it's the fact our government is trying to take choice away is what has people riled up.
 
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#204
#204
Orangeburst said:
I spoke to a stranger for 10 minutes the other day about his Tesla. One it is fast as F. It takes about 30 minutes to charge at a commercial 230/1 outlet. Said it would take days on a home charged 115/1/60 circuit, which is honestly a major hurdle for home owners.
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Yeah the higher input voltage is the key for rapid chargers. But again you have to manage the impacts on battery life with rapid charging also. I’d guess I’m not telling Tesla anything they don’t already know.

And yeah you will never find a higher performing motor than a brushless DC torque motor. Full torque is available at rotor stall IE non rotating wheels. Definitely not the case with internal combustion engines.
 
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#205
#205
Grand Vol said:
Until EV stations become as commonplace as gas stations on the interstate, this is certainly true.

I'm kinda wondering why Musk and others aren't trying to partner with places like Loves, Pilot and other nationwide stop-n-go's to put in either battery swaps or rapid charging stations.

Or why one of the chains hasn't reached out to Tesla to do so.
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Same reason big oil hasnt diversified much. If they were smart they would be the ones driving this. They have capital to finding the next source and system to sell.

People dont want to change. They want things to get better but they dont want the change that comes with it.
 
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#206
hog88 said:
Yes but he has the choice, it's the fact our government is trying to take choice away is what has people riled up.
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Bingo...choice and the fact that EV is not ready for prime time...They put an expired date on the Earth for a reason.
 
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#207
#207
hog88 said:
So are we going to eliminate deductions on R&D for every industry because this is essentially what this is.



I could go on picking apart your link but it appears you have gotten emotional about the subject.
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Emotional? I guess mirth is an emotion.

And yeah pull the R&D. I mean we are capitalists right? Or wait this is your brand of socialism so you are for it.
 
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#209
LouderVol said:
Same reason big oil hasnt diversified much. If they were smart they would be the ones driving this. They have capital to finding the next source and system to sell.

People dont want to change. They want things to get better but they dont want the change that comes with it.
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Early 2000s Shell and TA Truckstops had a deal to put in something like 100 NG fueling stations at their truck stops, Pilot and BP were exploring options too. Both got scrapped when they ran into permitting issues in several states. I think a few were put in but it wasn't worth it to continue. So it's not just "big oil" not exploring alternatives.
 
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#211
GroverCleveland said:
The article in the link is almost complete BS apparently written by anti-fossil fuel nuts in hopes that no one actually reads it. Did you actually read it? Do you understand the difference between a subsidy (money given directly to a target group and not expected to be paid back) and tax breaks/treatments? There is a substantial difference and anyone who calls a tax break a subsidy is a pretty much either an ignoramus or, worse, a liar.

While there were some references to some direct subsidies for research listed, those did not seem to amount to much, although I admittedly did not take a calculator to the numbers so I could be mistaken.
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My understanding is they broke out direct subsidies vs the indirect tax savings. And the tax savings was the bigger number but separate from the 20 billion I referenced.

I want the government out of it all together, or a level playing field.

People get into Musk all the time for accepting the "subsidies" he gets. Are they complaining about something fundamentally different from tax receipts?

All the same, or out of the biz.
 
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#214
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hog88 said:
Did the government force the buggy manufactures to start making automobiles? Limit peoples choices between buggies and cars?
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I would bet they did. This is the era of Edison, Rockefeller, Kennedy and so forth. Government was balls deep in those, or vice versa, cant imagine Ford wasnt getting some weighted support from Uncle Sam.

One thing was look at what big oil did to public transportation. There is a reason it never developed here and it wasnt healthy market competition.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Booooooorrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnngggg

And any bastard that takes a classic muscle car and does an EV conversion needs to be publicly beaten to death. That is all.
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Funny story. Buddy had a 71 Dodge Charger completely restored, it was cherry. He wanted to change it from carbureted to fuel injected and I told him that would anger the car gods. He did it but didn't change the connections on his fuel line and of course they couldn't take the pressure and started leaking, burnt up his car, his house and was lucky he escaped with only minor burns.
 
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#217
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hog88 said:
Funny story. Buddy had a 71 Dodge Charger completely restored, it was cherry. He wanted to change it from carbureted to fuel injected and I told him that would anger the car gods. He did it but didn't change the connections on his fuel line and of course they couldn't take the pressure and started leaking, burnt up his car, his house and was lucky he escaped with only minor burns.
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Oof. Yes the car gods were angered and required a sacrifice
 
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#218
#218
hog88 said:
Lutheresque at it's best.

How many people need a 30 round magazine????????
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where have I said the government should be involved? If anything I have said pull it all.

If you are buying 30 round mags and dumping rounds into trash everynight I dont think you should complain about the costs of it. And I dont think you should complain when people start looking at alternates. Just like people buying EVs shouldnt complain about the costs. They are making personal choices and should pay the costs.
 
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#220
LouderVol said:
where have I said the government should be involved? If anything I have said pull it all.

If you are buying 30 round mags and dumping rounds into trash everynight I dont think you should complain about the costs of it. And I dont think you should complain when people start looking at alternates. Just like people buying EVs shouldnt complain about the costs. They are making personal choices and should pay the costs.
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i don't think you need to be determining what people need, you sound just like Luther. You want an EV, go buy yourself one. Nobody here GAS.
 
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#221
LouderVol said:
My understanding is they broke out direct subsidies vs the indirect tax savings. And the tax savings was the bigger number but separate from the 20 billion I referenced.

I want the government out of it all together, or a level playing field.

People get into Musk all the time for accepting the "subsidies" he gets. Are they complaining about something fundamentally different from tax receipts?

All the same, or out of the biz.
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They did, but the direct subsidies were a fraction of the "subsidies" claimed; again if my reading is correct.

Philosophically, I understand and sympathize with the position of everyone should be treated equally with regards to tax breaks. And most of what the article complained about is available to anyone with hundreds of millions to invest in oil exploration and production. Most of those tax treatments simply allow investors to more quickly recoup their investment when the production starts.

And things like that are available to smaller taxpayers. There are direct tax credits that are capped at certain levels.
 
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#222
#222
utvolpj said:
Wife and I couldn't figure out how all these people afford these new trucks. Once we found these new and improved loan terms it made sense. Of course we are naturally frugal
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I'm still driving my 2009 Truck. I looked a new trucks recently and they all start at $40k for base models. A guy at my work bought a Ford Raptor and paid $70k for it. Insane
 
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#224
#224
85SugarVol said:
Cummins is plowing R&D into hydrogen fuel cells.
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Cummins acquired a small Canadian company (Hydrogenics) that I had been working with. Hoping to get a PO from Cummins soon, for Hydrogen Deoxo catalyst. Sent them some design help this morning and they asked for another Zoom meeting. Aaaagh!
 
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