ESPN now making fun of us

How did Fulmer get lazy? The guy just hired the wrong offensive coach and got fired for it before he could make a change.
His discipline was lax. He did hire the "wrong OC"... in 1999. He then let that wrong OC preside over a steady decline in offensive talent and production. He kept that guy for 6 seasons until forced to fire him.

CPF would have been gone sooner had Cut not saved him from himself. His dink and dunk didn't really fix anything... it just slowed the bleeding.

Clawson didn't cause Fulmer's fall. He was a victim of it. It was Fulmer's players that were too dense to understand strong and weak vs left and right. It was Fulmer's players that couldn't throw or catch. Clawson's "system" worked everywhere else. I put that in quotes because he ran several different systems tailored to the talent he had. UT had little talent for him to work with by then. There's a reason that Clawson is now employed and Fulmer is not.

He began recruiting reputations and not players. He stopped doing his own work. IIRC, Kiffin was floored by how poor the recruiting research was that he inherited.

His recruiting classes were fine before he got fired. Usually top 10 in the country.
Go back and look at how badly overrated those classes ended up being. Look at the players... not the rankings.

They may have had talent but the vast majority either left the program (the wrong way) or failed to make meaningful contributions.

In the day when you could sign 32 players to pump up your ranking... Fulmer avg'd recruiting classes around 10th... Pretty much what Dooley did except Dooley's attrition has been far less.
The bad year in 08' he was fired.
No. That class was just a reflection of the fact that everyone knew he was no longer a serious rival to Richt, Saban, Miles, Meyer, Spurrier, etc.

Just use his 07 class as an example. (FTR, the busted 09 class was mostly his work too). There were five 5* players in that class. Sounds good, huh?

Chris Donald. Outright bust that finished as a backup at Chattanooga I think.

Ben Martin. Never made a significant contribution due to injuries.

Eric Berry. Greatness.

Brent Vinson. Never developed or contributed much due to discipline issues that Fulmer was unable or too lazy to work on.

Kenny O'Neal. One of the all time greatest busts.

There were 11 4* players. Sykes, Coleman, Langley, Creer, Melancon, Sawtelle, and Paige either left the program or never lived up to their rating. Jones, McKenzie, Willingham, and Walker contributed but were not drafted. D Moore is the only other player out of that class that I am aware of who is in the NFL.

Tell me you see "great coaching" in that. Either the players were that talented and the coaching stank, the players were overrated and the recruit evals stank... or some combination of BOTH.
Don't act like he was a bad coach. And yes, the reason he is not coaching now is because schools don't like his age, and he was getting paid by us, not because he sucks.

Fulmer was very good in the 90's but became a bad coach. He stayed past his prime. Other coaches passed him by but he didn't change. He was never good with discipline. It hurt him in the later years... as we saw Cut was the disciplinarian Fulmer had to have.

He was not old when he was fired. It isn't just that he didn't get a job.... he wasn't even discussed for notable openings.
 
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So you took the time to respond to someone that no one cares about. Makes sense. Not posting much doe not make you anonymous. If I posted without a username I would be anonymous.

Continue to think UT is getting someone as big as Gruden if you want. Im sure you will be stunned when it is someone like Butch Jones.

Just come back if your wrong, and don't disappear like a fart in the wind like most mouth breathers like yourself tend to do.
 
ESPN is the one that looks bad. Before the first ball is ever kicked, they are picking a Heisman Winner and a National Champion. How many of these have they actually been correct on? Not too many. I was looking through Athlon's, Lindy's and Phil Steele(who by the way, I have regarded as the worst pre-season mag the past few years but have recently found him to be the most credible) Out of those three, Phil Steele is the only one who mentions Johnny Manziel. ESPN is a firetruckin' joke. They know it, we know it but for some reason, the big money doesn't have a clue. Let ESPN make the jokes, laugh at our expense and talk down to the fan base. Remember these times, and then, when Gameday comes around, put it on a poster and hold it up. There are ways to get back at these networks.

As Vols fans, the list of coaches you need to stay away from are Golden, Patterson, Briles (4 years ago you didn't have a clue who this cat was), Bob Stoops, and Charlie Strong. You can criticize all you want for this list but think about each and every name I just listed and give me 5 good reasons, without doing an internet search, as to why you would want any of them. Charlie Strong is a good coach at the level he is coaching at, but what makes you think he can replicate that in the SEC? Bob Stoops cannot win the big games any longer. He has target rich Texas, Oklahoma and the surrounding states and only recruits head cases at key positions. Art Briles...Not going into it. Patterson? He has a gimicky offense that may work for a minute in the SEC, but, it wouldn't last. Yes, he has won some big games, but when you play someone once in a bowl game and they don't expect your game plan, it will work. In the SEC, that will work week one, maybe week two, but week three, your a$$ is grass. The productivity will drop into the abyss and you will be calling for his head by week 7. This is the nature of the SEC. The running game is key, great defense is key and a balanced game plan is the key to winning. I know what has worked in the past with some teams, but when SEC teams figure out the unbalanced approach, teams adjust accordingly and win that battle.

The next question is: Who do you want? You want a coach that will be committed to the program for a number of years and a proven winner. What makes the Vols think they can't have anybody they want? If you want Gruden, then you will have Gruden. If you want a Brian Kelly, you will have a Brian Kelly (maybe not this year). If Hart is too stupid to set the standards high, you will always fall Dooley short. Don't go after a mid-major guy...this only worked out for Meyer and Kelly in recent years. Kevin Sumlin is having some short term success but as soon as the teams in the conference do their homework on Manziel, he will not be a factor. I saw someone mention Manny Diaz. This guy is off the charts but he has not had a good season with his defense this year. Is he an up and comer? Absolutely, but do you give him the keys to an elite program at this stage? Hell no. Kirby Smart? Yeah, on the surface, he appears to be a defensive mastermind, but none of us know how much control he has over the defense. We know that Saban is a control freak and with that said, he probably doesn't let these guys make serious calls on the field. His coordinators act as advisors, not coaches. Be careful what you wish for. You can look at a guy on paper and think he is the key to success, but in reality he is the main ingredient for failure.

Spot on! Great post!
 
tim brando said this morning on his show that ANY college thinking gruden will come there is absurd. He thinks we'll get another young "up and commer" Please God let him be wrong.
 
Who gives a s*** about espn? Once we start winning like we are accustomed to espn will be back to kissing our a@@ like they did in the late 90's early 00's.

I don't ever remember espn kissing are arses, all i remember is them hating on us since the Heath Shuler era it seems like.
 
Troll because its a new account or I make sense and you do not like that?

How do you quantify that you make sense? You have nothing substantial to back your claim that Gruden wont come here no more than some people say that he will. Truth be told even less seeing as though Gruden has had actual talks with UT.

I have no clue if Gruden will coach here, but to scoff & display UT as a chump program who can only get a less than stellar hire shows way more ignorance than anyone in here hoping for a big name hire.
 
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Anyone who doesn't believe Gruden will be the next Vol coach MUST BE BANNED!!!!! And we wonder why the outside world makes fun of us? :crazy:

I don't agree with a ban, but the 'keeping it real' approach to appear 'kool' and insightful without anything to substantiate an opinion is just as bad if not worse.

Again, don't know if we get Gruden or not. But to completely write it off when there have been serious discussions is way more ignorant than supposed 'grudenites' wanting to see a big time hire.
 
His discipline was lax. He did hire the "wrong OC"... in 1999. He then let that wrong OC preside over a steady decline in offensive talent and production. He kept that guy for 6 seasons until forced to fire him.

CPF would have been gone sooner had Cut not saved him from himself. His dink and dunk didn't really fix anything... it just slowed the bleeding.

Clawson didn't cause Fulmer's fall. He was a victim of it. It was Fulmer's players that were too dense to understand strong and weak vs left and right. It was Fulmer's players that couldn't throw or catch. Clawson's "system" worked everywhere else. I put that in quotes because he ran several different systems tailored to the talent he had. UT had little talent for him to work with by then. There's a reason that Clawson is now employed and Fulmer is not.

He began recruiting reputations and not players. He stopped doing his own work. IIRC, Kiffin was floored by how poor the recruiting research was that he inherited.

Go back and look at how badly overrated those classes ended up being. Look at the players... not the rankings.

They may have had talent but the vast majority either left the program (the wrong way) or failed to make meaningful contributions.

In the day when you could sign 32 players to pump up your ranking... Fulmer avg'd recruiting classes around 10th... Pretty much what Dooley did except Dooley's attrition has been far less. No. That class was just a reflection of the fact that everyone knew he was no longer a serious rival to Richt, Saban, Miles, Meyer, Spurrier, etc.

Just use his 07 class as an example. (FTR, the busted 09 class was mostly his work too). There were five 5* players in that class. Sounds good, huh?

Chris Donald. Outright bust that finished as a backup at Chattanooga I think.

Ben Martin. Never made a significant contribution due to injuries.

Eric Berry. Greatness.

Brent Vinson. Never developed or contributed much due to discipline issues that Fulmer was unable or too lazy to work on.

Kenny O'Neal. One of the all time greatest busts.

There were 11 4* players. Sykes, Coleman, Langley, Creer, Melancon, Sawtelle, and Paige either left the program or never lived up to their rating. Jones, McKenzie, Willingham, and Walker contributed but were not drafted. D Moore is the only other player out of that class that I am aware of who is in the NFL.

Tell me you see "great coaching" in that. Either the players were that talented and the coaching stank, the players were overrated and the recruit evals stank... or some combination of BOTH.

Fulmer was very good in the 90's but became a bad coach. He stayed past his prime. Other coaches passed him by but he didn't change. He was never good with discipline. It hurt him in the later years... as we saw Cut was the disciplinarian Fulmer had to have.

He was not old when he was fired. It isn't just that he didn't get a job.... he wasn't even discussed for notable openings.

These arguments are SOOOOOO 2008.

Anyone still clamoring for Fulmer or saying Dooley deserved more time has an agenda or is a fool.

Best to ignore them.
 
Fowler is nothing more than a Cro Magnon with too much product in his hair changing Corso's diapers during commercial breaks.

ESPN is laughing though. Laughing because they are nervous.
 
I don't agree with a ban, but the 'keeping it real' approach to appear 'kool' and insightful without anything to substantiate an opinion is just as bad if not worse.

Again, don't know if we get Gruden or not. But to completely write it off when there have been serious discussions is way more ignorant than supposed 'grudenites' wanting to see a big time hire.

What is your source for the "serious discussions" between UT and Gruden??? I know for a fact that neither Gruden nor Hart has said a word about any such "serious discussions". Please explain how you "substantiate your opinion". Thanks!!! :good!:
 
First it was Chris Fowler and the mule comment. Then, over the years, they have made it major headlines out of something minor such as the "cheating scandle", blasted TN and kept the news popping about Fulmer and the Alabama saga-really played up that win in 05 and every team they feature that has played us they ALWAYS show that teams highlights against us. Now, this morning they were actually chuckling when talking about Gruden and the Tennessee fan base constantly talking his name and basically said Gruden coming here is a pipe dream!
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Over-react much? I have no problem with what they are saying... I think you're a little too sensitive.
 
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What is your source for the "serious discussions" between UT and Gruden??? I know for a fact that neither Gruden nor Hart has said a word about any such "serious discussions". Please explain how you "substantiate your opinion". Thanks!!! :good!:

By that logic, I guess Hart hasn't talked to any coaches, since unlike Hamilton he doesn't parade information to everyone in the athletic department for all to hear.

As for the serious discussion, look at the various links in between all the supposed insider stuff. Sportswriters from various websites have admitted to there being discussions between the 2 sides. Again more evidence of Gruden becoming coach at UT than a complete dismissal of him coming here. :hi:
 
First it was Chris Fowler and the mule comment. Then, over the years, they have made it major headlines out of something minor such as the "cheating scandle", blasted TN and kept the news popping about Fulmer and the Alabama saga-really played up that win in 05 and every team they feature that has played us they ALWAYS show that teams highlights against us. Now, this morning they were actually chuckling when talking about Gruden and the Tennessee fan base constantly talking his name and basically said Gruden coming here is a pipe dream!
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Let'em hate,hopefully we can get back on track and laugh back.I remember the days they had to have special security at Neyland after the trailer park trash comments.:)
 
Winning football games, selling out the stadium and virtually all of the negative BS about and against TENN. will disappear. ESPN needs TENN. a whole lot worse than TENN needs ESPN. Just remember all of those years that ESPN didn't exist. We did just fine. Remember when the University decided what time the game was to be played and we didn't cowtow to the networks? There are other networks, who will gladly televise TN games, if it ever comes to that. Like I said earlier, if we consistently win games, the networks will be standing in line to televise us on prime time.

This could be the most stupid thing I've ever read on here! Back before ESPN coaches made $100K and tickets were $10. There were about 2-3 college games televised each week. Uh, UT certainly needs ESPN's money, I promise.

He really is a joke...Everytime I see his ugly face, I think of the "trailer trash" remark...All of his so-called "apologizing" never affected me at all....

This could be the 2nd dumbest thing I've read on here considering Fowler NEVER said "trailer trash." But if it helps to get you worked up over something that wasn't said, go ahead.
 
How about this....win some damn games and it means nothing.....grow up cry babies....espn is the elephant in the room...get over it and support whoever they hire!
 
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How about this....win some damn games and it means nothing.....grow up cry babies....espn is the elephant in the room...get over it and support whoever they hire!

Agree...and a lot of these whiners were swinging from Gameday's nuts back in Sept.
 
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Don't forget that we were removed from the College Gameday theme song and even the video. I only watch ESPN, because they broadcast so many games.

I won't go as far as to say they hate us, but the evidence is there. I, too, have noticed the Team X vs Vols highlights. They even use opponent's highlights from games that we won. I don't care if ESPN hates us, but, if they do the feeling is mutual.
 
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