Evaluating Martin's recruiting

#153
#153
BOP said:
Pretty sure his bones will heal. Not to mention I posted that before the injury.
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Yeah. Turned out to be a compound fracture.
Red shirt a year and come back full strength .
Looked terrible.
 
#154
#154
johnnybravo said:
Chris Jones wanted out of his LOI also. CCM put on the full court press to keep him. Jones actually decided to with UT, but failed to qualify. The same effort was not give to Ware.
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I've explained why the effort wasnt given to Ware, we hadn't been cleared and possible sanctions were coming...it was best not to mess with a kid who had any chance of issues.
 
#155
#155
BigZiti09 said:
Ok. I didn't interpret that article or others that way. You seem to believe the "Tennessee is my #1 choice" comment by ware. I trust more in the "I want players who want to be here" comment by Martin.

As for Jones, I think both parties realized quickly that he was going juco regardless so it didn't matter.

Martin didn't put the full court presss on Jones to keep him. If that was the case and jones stuck with his LOI, Martin would probably have pursued the #1 juco player in the country the past two years.
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Ware still wanted to come to UT. It's been explained that Martin did not want him here. BTO has explained and I did find links that Ware had some shady people that he was hanging around. So, the fact still remains that Ware wanted to come to UT and CCM did not want him here, so he didn't recruit him after becoming coach at UT.

CCM did still want Jones. Jones did not stick with his LOI because he did not qualify. So he went to JC. Martin did say that he would continue to recruit Jones, but Jones decided to go a different route. I'm sure Forbes probably had something to do with that. Also, he was very good friends with Ware. UL wanted him, so he had a much better offer than UT.

Martin on the release of Jones:

“We’ve done everything we can to encourage Chris to be successful in high school,’’ said Martin, who met with Jones and Johnson earlier this month in Memphis. “We wish him the best, and we would love to have him here if he gets it down the stretch.

“We’ll continue to recruit Chris if he ends up in the junior college ranks.’’
 
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#156
#156
johnnybravo said:
Ware still wanted to come to UT. It's been explained that Martin did not want him here. BTO has explained and I did find links that Ware had some shady people that he was hanging around. So, the fact still remains that Ware wanted to come to UT and CCM did not want him here, so he didn't recruit him after becoming coach at UT.

CCM did still want Jones. Jones did not stick with his LOI because he did not qualify. So he went to JC. Martin did say that he would continue to recruit Jones, but Jones decided to go a different route. I'm sure Forbes probably had something to do with that. Also, he was very good friends with Ware. UL wanted him, so he had a much better offer than UT.

Martin on the release of Jones:

“We’ve done everything we can to encourage Chris to be successful in high school,’’ said Martin, who met with Jones and Johnson earlier this month in Memphis. “We wish him the best, and we would love to have him here if he gets it down the stretch.

“We’ll continue to recruit Chris if he ends up in the junior college ranks.’’
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Still not with you. If I recall, ware asked for his release, then Martin said he wanted to meet with him first. (From article you linked earlier) Then Martin releases him.

I don't see how you get that ware wanted to be here from that. He made some comment about UT being #1 but that is bs in my book. Also, seems like Martin didn't have any visits left with Ware because they'd been used by pearl.

I was on Volquest at the time all this went down and I never got the impression that Ware wanted to be here after pearl was let go.
 
#157
#157
bleedingTNorange said:
I've explained why the effort wasnt given to Ware, we hadn't been cleared and possible sanctions were coming...it was best not to mess with a kid who had any chance of issues.
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BTO, seems like the shady stuff had to do with his commitment to USF after he was released by Martin.
 
#158
#158
BigZiti09 said:
Still not with you. If I recall, ware asked for his release, then Martin said he wanted to meet with him first. (From article you linked earlier) Then Martin releases him.

I don't see how you get that ware wanted to be here from that. He made some comment about UT being #1 but that is bs in my book. Also, seems like Martin didn't have any visits left with Ware because they'd been used by pearl.

I was on Volquest at the time all this went down and I never got the impression that Ware wanted to be here after pearl was let go.
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There are many articals out on the net. Google can be your friend. Try finding things on your own. Below are direct comments from Ware. That's the most reliable source you can have. If you can't take his word, then believe what you want.

On March 23, Ware posted on his Twitter account that he was a “VFL” - Vol For Life – and told the News Sentinel there was more to his decision to play at UT than just basketball.

"As long as they hire a good coach I can trust, I'll want to be at Tennessee,'' Ware said at the time.

Most recently, Ware sent the following text message to the News Sentinel on Tuesday:

“At this point I do want out because I've still yet to be contacted by (Vols athletic director) Mike Hamilton....I feel like I'm being forced to still be signed to Tennessee....I'm trying to do what's best for me and I know nothing about (Martin)...I been faithfully a Volunteer for two going on three years now.''
 
#159
#159
johnnybravo said:
There are many articals out on the net. Google can be your friend. Try finding things on your own. Below are direct comments from Ware. That's the most reliable source you can have. If you can't take his word, then believe what you want.

On March 23, Ware posted on his Twitter account that he was a “VFL” - Vol For Life – and told the News Sentinel there was more to his decision to play at UT than just basketball.

"As long as they hire a good coach I can trust, I'll want to be at Tennessee,'' Ware said at the time.

Most recently, Ware sent the following text message to the News Sentinel on Tuesday:

“At this point I do want out because I've still yet to be contacted by (Vols athletic director) Mike Hamilton....I feel like I'm being forced to still be signed to Tennessee....I'm trying to do what's best for me and I know nothing about (Martin)...I been faithfully a Volunteer for two going on three years now.''
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Thanks.
 
#161
#161
TNDRIVER said:
Miller and Yemi are leftovers from Pearl's tenure. But by and large you're right we have 4 players that are legit on any one's roster, several others that are legit role players could be on many teams roster, a couple coming in that should help immediately, and a couple of projects. Biggest needs are a true center and a legit point guard. To me I am needing a PG I recruit a true point guard not a combo guard or a two guard that many thinks might be turned into a PG, give me a point guard. If you cannot get a center here in the states the comb the rest of the world and get one but get us a center preferably a 7 footer (+), please.
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How can a person get on here and be this wrong on his facts?
 
#163
#163
So let's look at 3 recruiting classes without thinking about what he inherited etc. etc. etc. Let's pretend the '13 class plays to their rankings and Stokes sticks around.

PG Thompson
SG Hubbs
SF Richardson
PF Davis
C Stokes

6th man- Armani Moore

Bench: Mackanjuela, Chevious, Reese, Edwards, Landry

To me the Bench above are never going to be much of contributors. I just don't see really any talent there.

That's a really bad team above. Like 4-14, 5-13 in league play bad.

So his '14 class is going to have multiple immediate impact players even if the '13 class pans out. He's not in a very good spot.
 
#164
#164
BOP said:
So let's look at 3 recruiting classes without thinking about what he inherited etc. etc. etc. Let's pretend the '13 class plays to their rankings and Stokes sticks around.

PG Thompson
SG Hubbs
SF Richardson
PF Davis
C Stokes

6th man- Armani Moore

Bench: Mackanjuela, Chevious, Reese, Edwards, Landry

To me the Bench above are never going to be much of contributors. I just don't see really any talent there.

That's a really bad team above. Like 4-14, 5-13 in league play bad.

So his '14 class is going to have multiple immediate impact players even if the '13 class pans out. He's not in a very good spot.
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That's 2 five stars and 4 three stars, and that's not including any incoming freshman, but we'll go with that. That's an average rating of 3.67 for our rotation guys you list. In comparison, this year that would rate 5th in the SEC for talent, yet you have them competiting for last place basically.

Off the top of your head, no cheating, how many other SEC teams have 2 five stars in their lineup?
 
#165
#165
BOP said:
So let's look at 3 recruiting classes without thinking about what he inherited etc. etc. etc. Let's pretend the '13 class plays to their rankings and Stokes sticks around.

PG Thompson
SG Hubbs
SF Richardson
PF Davis
C Stokes

6th man- Armani Moore

Bench: Mackanjuela, Chevious, Reese, Edwards, Landry

To me the Bench above are never going to be much of contributors. I just don't see really any talent there.

That's a really bad team above. Like 4-14, 5-13 in league play bad.

So his '14 class is going to have multiple immediate impact players even if the '13 class pans out. He's not in a very good spot.
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So you think they would only win 4 or 5 games in SEC play? If Thompson, Hubbs, and Davis are as good as they are ranked? Puff puff pass please... :loco:
PG Thompson
SG Hubbs
SF Richardson
PF Davis
C Stokes
 
#166
#166
GoobieVol said:
So you think they would only win 4 or 5 games in SEC play? If Thompson, Hubbs, and Davis are as good as they are ranked? Puff puff pass please... :loco:
PG Thompson
SG Hubbs
SF Richardson
PF Davis
C Stokes
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Thompson and Davis are not ranked highly at all. I don't know where this idea came from. We have 4 recruits and 1 of them is a 5 star and we are still not even ranked in the top 30. If those 2 play to their ranking they aren't going to be great players.
 
#167
#167
BOP said:
So let's look at 3 recruiting classes without thinking about what he inherited etc. etc. etc. Let's pretend the '13 class plays to their rankings and Stokes sticks around.

PG Thompson
SG Hubbs
SF Richardson
PF Davis
C Stokes

6th man- Armani Moore

Bench: Mackanjuela, Chevious, Reese, Edwards, Landry

To me the Bench above are never going to be much of contributors. I just don't see really any talent there.

That's a really bad team above. Like 4-14, 5-13 in league play bad.

So his '14 class is going to have multiple immediate impact players even if the '13 class pans out. He's not in a very good spot.
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Edwards will be gone after this year. He will be a Senior.
 
#168
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's 2 five stars and 4 three stars, and that's not including any incoming freshman, but we'll go with that. That's an average rating of 3.67 for our rotation guys you list. In comparison, this year that would rate 5th in the SEC for talent, yet you have them competiting for last place basically.

Off the top of your head, no cheating, how many other SEC teams have 2 five stars in their lineup?
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A 3 star ranking is not a positive for this school. Jarnell Stokes was a 5 star but he is not a 5 star talent. So there is no mystery about stokes. He isn't ever going to be a good offensive player. He's an average defender and a very good rebounder. A 5 star every 2 years and a bunch of 3 stars is not going to work out.
 
#169
#169
BOP said:
Thompson and Davis are not ranked highly at all. I don't know where this idea came from. We have 4 recruits and 1 of them is a 5 star and we are still not even ranked in the top 30. If those 2 play to their ranking they aren't going to be great players.
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Davis and Thompson are right on the cusp of top 150, infact Thompson may very well be when the new rankings come out.

We aren't ranked in the top 30?

Scout.com: Men's Basketball Recruiting

2013 Basketball Recruiting Team Rankings
 
#170
#170
BOP said:
A 3 star ranking is not a positive for this school. Jarnell Stokes was a 5 star but he is not a 5 star talent. So there is no mystery about stokes. He isn't ever going to be a good offensive player. He's an average defender and a very good rebounder. A 5 star every 2 years and a bunch of 3 stars is not going to work out.
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Not many people average a double double.
 
#171
#171
BOP said:
A 3 star ranking is not a positive for this school. Jarnell Stokes was a 5 star but he is not a 5 star talent. So there is no mystery about stokes. He isn't ever going to be a good offensive player. He's an average defender and a very good rebounder. A 5 star every 2 years and a bunch of 3 stars is not going to work out.
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He averages a freaking double double, and was second team all-sec and will be preseason first team next year, how's that not 5*? Wtf?

And you didn't address my question or the rest of my post. You're trying to say that's not a talented team, yet that would be 5th most talented according to the ratings in this years SEC. How many other SEC teams can say they're playing two 5*?

Three stars aren't gonna work? What were Lofton and J. Smith? Is Wichita State packed full of 4 and 5 stars?
 
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#172
#172
bleedingTNorange said:
Davis and Thompson are right on the cusp of top 150, infact Thompson may very well be when the new rankings come out.

We aren't ranked in the top 30?

Scout.com: Men's Basketball Recruiting

2013 Basketball Recruiting Team Rankings
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Oh wow, 2 have us barely in the top 30. Top 150? Again wow, How much production do you think the 150th best player in his class gives in the SEC? You think that is a guy that gets like 15 a night? This isn't football, You are signing 3 or 4 guys a year.
 
#173
#173
BOP said:
Thompson and Davis are not ranked highly at all. I don't know where this idea came from. We have 4 recruits and 1 of them is a 5 star and we are still not even ranked in the top 30. If those 2 play to their ranking they aren't going to be great players.
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Would be willing to bet 9 out of 10 schools would take Stokes, Hubbs, and Richardson to lead their team. And Davis and Thompsom are solid 3 stars. Thomp. might creap inside the top 150. Sure would be nice if folks would stop thinkin that because we were blessed with a few good season, we are a basketball powerhouse. And should be getting all 4's and 5's. He has recuited fine. Not lets see if that can translate to w's in the post season.
 
#175
#175
So if 12 and 10 are 5 star numbers, What is a 3 star expected to produce. People throw around these meaningless stats way too much. Double-Double is not that great. It is better to average 12 and 10 than 18 and 8? We are also talking about a guy who rebounds his own miss more than any player in the country probably.
 
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