Florida granting teaching licenses to military + spouses.

[luthervol]

Lmao yea a poli sci major who goes to DC to be used by politicians and lobbyists and lives an unhappy life is definitely worth the money wasted on a useless education. You could make the case for probably 25% of all relevant majors

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She's a teacher in NC.

 

[Rickyvol77]

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She's a teacher in NC.

Who is?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You're absolutely right. Most charter schools pay less than public schools so the teachers that go there are typically either trying to get away from political influences from one side or the other or have personal priorities that take them in that direction.

Your real problem is low pay and long hours are causing most top flight teachers to leave. I sent my daughter to one of the top 20 universities as ranked by US News. It cost a stunning amount. I've been blessed in my career and could pay, with everything included, more than I paid for my house. She teaches in the NC public school systems, having taught in three lower socioeconomic schools. If she had to borrow the money for her education she could never have been a teacher. Housing costs in Charlotte are so high that I still give her a substantial allowance because her pay sucks so bad.

But don't the students deserve teachers who were educated at some of the best universities. The only way you get there is to start paying the teachers so you attract the best. But so many people still don't value education despite the evidence from the 2008 recession and the first year of the pandemic that college grads did much better than non-college grads.

BTW, for anyone who wants to support their kid's schools there is a website DonorsChoose.org.

If your teachers have needs they can't get through the school, they can post it on this website. They have to submit a proposal to the website which then has a specific employee (whose name they disclose on the contribution page) review the project and verify its cost, value and purpose. If it passes it is then posted for a specific period of time and anyone can donate to it. A lot of large corporations, GM is one, have months where they will match donations. It can be for any number of things from snacks to computers to field trips. The contribution page shows you a cost summary item by item.

And your donations are tax deductible. They even email you a year end statement of your donations for your tax records.

Make sure you tell your kid's teachers about it.

My daughter spent most of her summer working on grant applications. That's for you guys who say they don't work hard and get three months off.

Just because you went to school at a Top 20 university, that doesn't mean you are necessarily qualified to do anything, whether it is teaching, engineering, medicine, whatever. There is plenty of evidence in the real world that shows this.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who is?

Talking about this guy's daughter...

You're absolutely right. Most charter schools pay less than public schools so the teachers that go there are typically either trying to get away from political influences from one side or the other or have personal priorities that take them in that direction.

Your real problem is low pay and long hours are causing most top flight teachers to leave. I sent my daughter to one of the top 20 universities as ranked by US News. It cost a stunning amount. I've been blessed in my career and could pay, with everything included, more than I paid for my house. She teaches in the NC public school systems, having taught in three lower socioeconomic schools. If she had to borrow the money for her education she could never have been a teacher. Housing costs in Charlotte are so high that I still give her a substantial allowance because her pay sucks so bad.

But don't the students deserve teachers who were educated at some of the best universities. The only way you get there is to start paying the teachers so you attract the best. But so many people still don't value education despite the evidence from the 2008 recession and the first year of the pandemic that college grads did much better than non-college grads.

BTW, for anyone who wants to support their kid's schools there is a website DonorsChoose.org.

If your teachers have needs they can't get through the school, they can post it on this website. They have to submit a proposal to the website which then has a specific employee (whose name they disclose on the contribution page) review the project and verify its cost, value and purpose. If it passes it is then posted for a specific period of time and anyone can donate to it. A lot of large corporations, GM is one, have months where they will match donations. It can be for any number of things from snacks to computers to field trips. The contribution page shows you a cost summary item by item.

And your donations are tax deductible. They even email you a year end statement of your donations for your tax records.

Make sure you tell your kid's teachers about it.

My daughter spent most of her summer working on grant applications. That's for you guys who say they don't work hard and get three months off.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Great point, not sure what makes veterans or a veteran's spouse more qualified than anyone else

Pandering.

 

[DonjoVol]

If there is a shortage.

They are having trouble getting new recruits. Second, the enlisted ranks in the military are vastly underpaid considering the work they do on a daily basis.

 

[hog88]

You really are two dimensional aren't you?
The return on that investment will last for generations, so it's kind of hard to calculate.
What's the ROI on a 10k family trip to the beach?
What's the ROI for 5 years of piano lessons for your kid?

Say you’re dumb without saying you are dumb.

A person can be an outstanding teacher with 2 years of CC and 2 years at a state school for well under a hundred grand total. Going to a private college costing hundreds of thousands for a job that will take 20 years to pay back is the epitome of dumb.

 

[luthervol]

Say you’re dumb without saying you are dumb.

A person can be an outstanding teacher with 2 years of CC and 2 years at a state school for well under a hundred grand total. Going to a private college costing hundreds of thousands for a job that will take 20 years to pay back is the epitome of dumb.

Say you are both dumb and shallow without saying you are both dumb and shallow.
Why spend 10k staying in a house on the beach for a week when you could have stayed a block off the beach at the Red Roof Inn for $1,500?
College is a life experience, not a hurdle to suffer through as cheaply as possible. At least for some.
We would not allow our kids to even consider going to a CC and living at home. We were firm believers in the experience.

 

[hog88]

Say you are both dumb and shallow without saying you are both dumb and shallow.
Why spend 10k staying in a house on the beach for a week when you could have stayed a block off the beach at the Red Roof Inn for $1,500?
College is a life experience, not a hurdle to suffer through as cheaply as possible. At least for some.
We would not allow our kids to even consider going to a CC and living at home. We were firm believers in the experience.

Because I can afford the 10k without taking out a loan and my ROI is my enjoyment of the house over the Red Roof Inn.

Ignoring the return on investment is why we have kids with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt for degrees that will never pay for themselves.

 

[luthervol]

Because I can afford the 10k without taking out a loan and my ROI is my enjoyment of the house over the Red Roof Inn.

Ignoring the return on investment is why we have kids with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt for degrees that will never pay for themselves.

Didn't he say he could afford it?
You were 100% wrong in your response to him.
Man up and admit it.......you pretty much just did by your response.

 

[hog88]

Didn't he say he could afford it?
You were 100% wrong in your response to him.
Man up and admit it.......you pretty much just did by your response.

No I wasn’t. I would have never paid for a Vanderbilt for either of my kids wanting to be a teacher. That’s nothing but vanity and spoiling your kid, all you are doing is paying for their bragging rights in the teachers lounge. It’s not going to earn them 1 dime more than the person who went to Vol State and MTSU to be a teacher.

I paid 4 years at UT for my daughter to be a teacher and while I disagreed with her career choice it was no more expensive than if she went there for a business degree.

 

[DonjoVol]

As someone who hires recent college grads 130 hours doesn’t necessarily show any great intelligence.

So someone with 4 to 8 years military experience combined with education might be a better candidate right?

 

[luthervol]

No I wasn’t. I would have never paid for a Vanderbilt for either of my kids wanting to be a teacher. That’s nothing but vanity and spoiling your kid, all you are doing is paying for their bragging rights in the teachers lounge. It’s not going to earn them 1 dime more than the person who went to Vol State and MTSU to be a teacher.

I paid 4 years at UT for my daughter to be a teacher and while I disagreed with her career choice it was no more expensive than if she went there for a business degree.

So if you can afford a 10K beach house, it's reasonable to stay there instead of the Red Roof which cost 15% as much.
But if you can afford to send your child to a top notch university, it is not reasonable to do so if there are cheaper alternatives.

You may have the most inconsistent logic of any poster. May be due to that 2-d perspective.

 

[hog88]

So if you can afford a 10K beach house, it's reasonable to stay there instead of the Red Roof which cost 15% as much.
But if you can afford to send your child to a top notch university, it is not reasonable to do so if there are cheaper alternatives.

You may have the most inconsistent logic of any poster. May be due to that 2-d perspective.

Just how stupid are you trying to make yourself look?

I’ll piss away 10k for my families enjoyment and think the smile on my wife’s face is return enough on that investment. No one has yet to give a reason to why 2-3 hundred K is a sound investment in the education of a teacher.

Edit: I’ll say this. If it’s worth it to you to spend a quarter of a million or more to make your kid happy then so be it. More power to you.

 

[DonjoVol]

Say you are both dumb and shallow without saying you are both dumb and shallow.
Why spend 10k staying in a house on the beach for a week when you could have stayed a block off the beach at the Red Roof Inn for $1,500?
College is a life experience, not a hurdle to suffer through as cheaply as possible. At least for some.
We would not allow our kids to even consider going to a CC and living at home. We were firm believers in the experience.

$1,500 is quite a bit to stay at a Red Roof Inn.

 

[luthervol]

Just how stupid are you trying to make yourself look?

I’ll piss away 10k for my families enjoyment and think the smile on my wife’s face is return enough on that investment. No one has yet to give a reason to why 2-3 hundred K is a sound investment in the education of a teacher.

You're the fool here.
10k for one week is fine to piss away for a smile from your wife.
but 200k for 200 weeks (and a lifetime as an alum) is not worth it for a father to do for his daughter.

You actually feel as if you can sit in judgement of when "pissing" away money is justified?

We all can see who is being stupid. (and for no reason other than being a dick to a person who could afford a better school)

But there are nuts staying at the Red Roof who think the people in the beach house are there for vanity and that the kids are spoiled brats.

 

[luthervol]

$1,500 is quite a bit to stay at a Red Roof Inn.

I included taxes.....and it was for a week just across the street from the beach.

 

[hog88]

You're the fool here.
10k for one week is fine to piss away for a smile from your wife.
but 200k for 200 weeks (and a lifetime as an alum) is not worth it for a father to do for his daughter.

You actually feel as if you can sit in judgement of when "pissing" away money is justified?

We all can see who is being stupid. (and for no reason other than being a dick to a person who could afford a better school)

But there are nuts staying at the Red Roof who think the people in the beach house are there for vanity and that the kids are spoiled brats.

You didn’t see my edit.

If spending 2-3 hundred k on your kid’s college education makes them and you happy then I’m all for it. But when they choose a low paying career like a teacher don’t act all sanctimonious about how could anyone afford college to be a teacher. Just admit you spent the money to make your kid happy.

 

[DonjoVol]

I included taxes.....and it was for a week just across the street from the beach.

I like the Red Roof Inn myself.

 

[luthervol]

I like the Red Roof Inn myself.

Sometimes it's the perfect choice.

 

[WBO]

Just because you went to school at a Top 20 university, that doesn't mean you are necessarily qualified to do anything, whether it is teaching, engineering, medicine, whatever. There is plenty of evidence in the real world that shows this.

You're absolutely right, it doesn't guarantee you anything. But it increases your opportunities.

And in most cases you have performed well academically and on the college boards just to get in. My daughter's freshman class had 12,000 applicants for 1000 openings.

The teaching in better, class size is much, much smaller and the companies that come recruiting on your campus are just a cut above. An attorney friend of mine likes to say that if you're #1 in your law school class at UT you will get all the same opportunities as a graduate from any of the top schools, but the differences show up when you get to #20 in his class at Harvard and #20 in his class at UT. The graduate of Harvard is going to get top offers from the biggest firms in the country, not so for the UT grad. Doesn't mean that UT grad is not going to have a successful, lucrative career, but he's not going to be working at Jones, Day (a mega firm).

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Los Angeles County nixes citizenship requirement for government jobs

 

[Jxn Vol]

I choose the 10K beachfront because I chose not to be a teacher.

 

[Ashevolle]

Screw off with your indignation.

I’ve seen plenty of teachers that sucked and they are protected even by the good teachers.

Plenty of intelligent people without a degree. Hopefully this improves the public schools.

That is the goal, right? Or the goal is to protect the feelings of adults?

While I agree that you don't need a bachelor's to necessarily be a good teacher up to a certain grade level, what logic could possibly make you optimistic that will improve the educational system? Hordes of unqualified applicants will now be eligible to teach. There needs to be, at the very least, an exam to test one's competency to teach that requires studying for and demonstrating proficiency.

 

[hog88]

While I agree that you don't need a bachelor's to necessarily be a good teacher up to a certain grade level, what logic could possibly make you optimistic that will improve the educational system? Hordes of unqualified applicants will now be eligible to teach. There needs to be, at the very least, an exam to test one's competency to teach that requires studying for and demonstrating proficiency.

Hordes of semi-qualified applicants are better than almost no applicants.