Florida granting teaching licenses to military + spouses.

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luthervol said:
Just use your current level of understanding.
Does a higher salary, all other things remaining equal, make a job more desirable?
If a job is more desirable, will more people desire the job?
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Of course it will. But most18 year olds don't think about that when they are starting college. And with your liberal indoctrination, again it isn't an issue until reality hits them in the face.
 
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hog88 said:
I've got 2 sister-in-laws that are teachers and my daughter taught for a while, I've heard the horror stories.
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My aunt was a teacher, and she drove a mid 60's Toyota Corolla. Liberals run in my veins.
 
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utvols88 said:
Link on the 230 and 200 figures?

Last I was told by a teacher here in Jax, 180 days per most teacher contracts. I'll give you a week extra even though reporting days should be included in the 180 but I'm a nice guy.

Also there are usually 260 working days in a year. My company has about 8 holidays on the schedule so looking at 252. Teachers have PTO so if you're going to account for PTO in full time year round, then do it for teachers too. You can tinker with the holidays all you want but it'll only increase by 2-4. I assume holidays are not included in the 180 contract days.

From my view, we are looking at 187 compared to 252. Part of that 187 includes this planning time. Of that contract, teachers make 251.34 per day. That rate with the 252 days is just over 63k.

Now let's do your 200 days, that is 235 per which equals just over 59k when giving it the 252 days. This is a starting salary in the state of Florida. Meaning zero real world experience.

In the event that's the 180 is kids being included, that's just 11 days so 4 days more than the 187 which leaves you short still of the 200 and doesn't move the needle on the points being made.
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Your math sucks. 52 x 2 = 104 (weekends) 365 - 104 = 261
There are 11 federal holidays (not everyone gets them all off but many get more than one day for Christmas and/or Thanksgiving) 261 - 11 = 250
Average days of paid vacation (not including holidays) = 17
250 - 17 = 233

Teacher contracts are for a minimum of 190 days. (students go 180)
Teachers must complete continuing education (professional learning) during every certification cycle.
The average days worked is around 200. Not counting the school related work they do on their own time on weekends and over the breaks.
 
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There are a lot of teachers out there who add umbrella liability policies to their insurance just so they do not have to pay dues to a union because they do not support that union.
 
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luthervol said:
Your math sucks. 52 x 2 = 104 (weekends) 365 - 104 = 261
There are 11 federal holidays (not everyone gets them all off but many get more than one day for Christmas and/or Thanksgiving) 261 - 11 = 250
Average days of paid vacation (not including holidays) = 17
250 - 17 = 233

Teacher contracts are for a minimum of 190 days. (students go 180)
Teachers must complete continuing education (professional learning) during every certification cycle.
The average days worked is around 200. Not counting the school related work they do on their own time on weekends and over the breaks.
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Can we subtract any time we find them on Volnation during school hours?
 
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luthervol said:
Your math sucks. 52 x 2 = 104 (weekends) 365 - 104 = 261
There are 11 federal holidays (not everyone gets them all off but many get more than one day for Christmas and/or Thanksgiving) 261 - 11 = 250
Average days of paid vacation (not including holidays) = 17
250 - 17 = 233

Teacher contracts are for a minimum of 190 days. (students go 180)
Teachers must complete continuing education (professional learning) during every certification cycle.
The average days worked is around 200. Not counting the school related work they do on their own time on weekends and over the breaks.
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So you live in the Metro A…..but you know what the minimum contract is in Jacksonville??
 
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sonofUT62 said:
So you live in the Metro A…..but you know what the minimum contract is in Jacksonville??
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ours is 180 teaching days
plus minimum of 120 hours, with each 6 hours counting as a "day," so 200 days
we do not have random planning days at all like they do in a lot of school systems
two grandchildren live with us, and the random planning days are a PITA here in the city limits where we live
we also have to earn "recertification points" to renew our teaching licenses
I try to do those over the summer with free webinars, free online classes, etc.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
So you live in the Metro A…..but you know what the minimum contract is in Jacksonville??
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I know that the student calendar is 180 days and the minimum days for certified employees is 190.
Look it up.
 
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luthervol said:
Your math sucks. 52 x 2 = 104 (weekends) 365 - 104 = 261
There are 11 federal holidays (not everyone gets them all off but many get more than one day for Christmas and/or Thanksgiving) 261 - 11 = 250
Average days of paid vacation (not including holidays) = 17
250 - 17 = 233

Teacher contracts are for a minimum of 190 days. (students go 180)
Teachers must complete continuing education (professional learning) during every certification cycle.
The average days worked is around 200. Not counting the school related work they do on their own time on weekends and over the breaks.
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Just a question Luther, have you ever been required to be on call? What about work a weekend or come in to school in the middle of the night because a piece of equipment broke down. Ever had to work 18+ hours in one day? I have and you BS post that people in private industry only work 230 days a year is BS.
 
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VolStrom said:
Just a question Luther, have you ever been required to be on call? What about work a weekend or come in to school in the middle of the night because a piece of equipment broke down. Ever had to work 18+ hours in one day? I have and you BS post that people in private industry only work 230 days a year is BS.
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My wife hardly knows how to handle it if I am home for a holiday.
 
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GordonC said:
I have been a teacher in public schools long enough that I can retire at any time.
If you have any integrity at all in your profession (or in life), you cannot condone plagiarism. Period. End of Discussion. Just admit you have no integrity.
How does your mind even go to what I bolded? What is wrong with you? Serious question
And btw, you failed 9th grade English yet again, because you keep saying "most everyone" and not "almost everyone."
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Maybe start with providing one instance where I condoned plagiarism. Few things are worse - false accusations being one.
My mind went there easily as a way to make a point that many are to dense to process without an extreme.
I really don't care much about grammar....I think we've been through this once already.

Informal usage, particularly in speech, allows for most in place of almost.
 
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luthervol said:
Your math sucks. 52 x 2 = 104 (weekends) 365 - 104 = 261
There are 11 federal holidays (not everyone gets them all off but many get more than one day for Christmas and/or Thanksgiving) 261 - 11 = 250
Average days of paid vacation (not including holidays) = 17
250 - 17 = 233

Teacher contracts are for a minimum of 190 days. (students go 180)
Teachers must complete continuing education (professional learning) during every certification cycle.
The average days worked is around 200. Not counting the school related work they do on their own time on weekends and over the breaks.
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"You're math sucks" while your best number is two days different while admitting that your top number may not have all days off which gives toward my figure, which is only two days different. Seems like we agree on the 250-252, chief. By your own admitted statement, your standard deviation would place my number in your range. Take a lap.

"Usually 260" came from this:

https://www.symmetry.com/payroll-tax-insights/how-many-working-days-are-in-a-year#:~:text=How many days - not including,can change depending on year.

Where do we differ? Its where you took 17 days of time off from full year workers and not the teachers. Just asked a friend, who is a teacher, how many pto days she gets. It's ten per year. So subtract it from your 200.

You also assume that full year folks don't work on the weekends? Nah. You have zero data on that from both professions to even try to estimate it.

Then you arbitrarily add 10 days for CE. How many hours per year are required for it? Every single number manipulation you made was one sided. I even gave you the 200 and your point still falls FLAT. You're still in the same pickle, dummy.
 
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VolStrom said:
Just a question Luther, have you ever been required to be on call? What about work a weekend or come in to school in the middle of the night because a piece of equipment broke down. Ever had to work 18+ hours in one day? I have and you BS post that people in private industry only work 230 days a year is BS.
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Been on call and have worked many many weekends.
 
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utvols88 said:
"You're math sucks" while your best number is two days different while admitting that your top number may not have all days off which gives toward my figure, which is only two days different. Seems like we agree on the 250-252, chief. By your own admitted statement, your standard deviation would place my number in your range. Take a lap.

"Usually 260" came from this:

https://www.symmetry.com/payroll-tax-insights/how-many-working-days-are-in-a-year#:~:text=How many days - not including,can change depending on year.

Where do we differ? Its where you took 17 days of time off from full year workers and not the teachers. Just asked a friend, who is a teacher, how many pto days she gets. It's ten per year. So subtract it from your 200.

You also assume that full year folks don't work on the weekends? Nah. You have zero data on that from both professions to even try to estimate it.

Then you arbitrarily add 10 days for CE. How many hours per year are required for it? Every single number manipulation you made was one sided. I even gave you the 200 and your point still falls FLAT. You're still in the same pickle, dummy.
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We don't agree at all on the 250-252 number.
Your friend isn't very bright then. Those are "sick days". For the care of yourself or a family member.
 
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