Game Thread: #19/21 Lady Vols vs. #22/20 Oklahoma, Sat 1:32PM, WSN network

[Orange_Mamba]

I like Jaz coming off the bench. Great teams have a player that enters the game and elevates the overall play on both ends of the floor. Jaz can be that for this team. Play her 30+ minutes but use her as a spark. Remember Vinnie (Microwave) Johnson of the Detroit Pistons many years ago?.

The thing is we can’t wait for that spark off the bench. You can tell how them game will go in the first 5 minutes. You cant tell me the point play hasn’t looked better with Powell running it.

 

[VolFuture]

The thing is we can’t wait for that spark off the bench. You can tell how them game will go in the first 5 minutes. You cant tell me the point play hasn’t looked better with Powell running it.

Did u watch our OU game? We literally had a 8-0 run to start. She can wait and come off bench. We don’t need everyone tryna score 20 in the first quarter either

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Startem both

So you’d send Jewel to the bench?

 

[VolFuture]

So you’d send Jewel to the bench?

Tess duh

 

[madtownvol]

So, speculating on the cardiopulmonary details involved, but ima take a stab at some basics. PEs are clots that have traveled to the lungs. Those clots prevent blood flow. Blood flow pools and becomes stagnant depriving O2 to the lung tissue. Also, the blood backs into the heart, which affects the contractility of the heart and can limit the delivery of O2 to the coronary arteries that feed the heart tissue. I am fearful that being medically cleared does not mean having lungs that perfuse properly and heart tissue that contracts with a normal ejection fraction. TK has had a major cardiac event. Is it possible that we could think of it as having a heart attack?? Again not certain, but these responses that she is lazy, she needs to do HIIT, she needs to watch what she eats, or whatever. It may be she is doing the absolute best she can as she is limited by actual structural damage. These posts go beyond insulting and posters might want to think twice about what they say.

I agree with the spirit of your post but the idea that the medical staff would clear TK to play with a structurally damaged heart is irresponsible speculation.

Its pretty clear that her condition was identified (fortunately) before the worst complications kicked in.

On the flipside, those condemning her for not doing CrossFit, etc. and being in tip top shape are equally irresponsible since no one knows her exact medical status and limitations.

She could be on blood thinners and dealing with some side effects of those. It could be lot of different things. She is coming along. The goal may be for her to be play a bigger role by conference games. We are still in November. Just like the overreactions the Indiana game (sans Rickea), folks need a little patience and just see how things unfold over the next 2 months.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Tess duh

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Tess duh

Wishful thinking on both our parts because when we get Rickea back it’s definitely Jewel heading to the bench.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I agree with the spirit of your post but the idea that the medical staff would clear TK to play with a structurally damaged heart is irresponsible speculation.

Its pretty clear that her condition was identified (fortunately) before the worst complications kicked in.

On the flipside, those condemning her for not doing CrossFit, etc. and being in tip top shape are equally irresponsible since no one knows her exact medical status and limitations.

She could be on blood thinners and dealing with some side effects of those. It could be lot of different things. She is coming along. The goal may be for her to be play a bigger role by conference games. We are still in November. Just like the overreactions the Indiana game (sans Rickea), folks need a little patience and just see how things unfold over the next 2 months.

 

[VolFuture]

Wishful thinking on both our parts because when we get Rickea back it’s definitely Jewel heading to the bench.

Jewell has played more mins than tess

 

[WinnerCircle]

Did u watch our OU game? We literally had a 8-0 run to start. She can wait and come off bench. We don’t need everyone tryna score 20 in the first quarter either

I agree with you. Destinee Wells is the starting PG. Not even debatable at this point.

She is running the offense and facilitating the ball it’s not her fault when players don’t finish or execute once she puts them in position.

Also the possibility of thinking Jewel Spear is going to come off the bench can’t be taken serious.

 

[VolBall09]

I agree with you. Destinee Wells is the starting PG. Not even debatable at this point.

She is running the offense and facilitating the ball it’s not her fault when players don’t finish or execute once she puts them in position.

Also the possibility of thinking Jewel Spear is going to come off the bench can’t be taken serious.

I think Powell needs to be our spark off the bench and she needs to own that role.

The team runs better when Wells has the ball. She has the IQ and passing we’ve been missing for a long time. She puts a lot of pressure on the defense making the right read. Just as you said, her teammates need to catch and finish.

Wells and Hollingshed really need to work on their connection. They are just a tiny bit off and we’re missing out on 10+ points there. Reminds me of Kasi Kushkituah playing with Westbrook and Hayes. They would hit her in the hands 5 times a game and it would trickle out of bounds. When you’re playing a with a PG that has got vision you have to be ready to receive the ball at ANY time.

With Powell’s scoring punch bringing her off the bench gives us a different look with more of a score first PG. She also brings a lot of hustle defensively and on the glass. Still think Wells is sneakily a better defender, she has those quick hands and reflexes that are so annoying as an opposing guard.

 

[VolFuture]

I think Powell needs to be our spark off the bench and she needs to own that role.

The team runs better when Wells has the ball. She has the IQ and passing we’ve been missing for a long time. She puts a lot of pressure on the defense making the right read. Just as you said, her teammates need to catch and finish.

Wells and Hollingshed really need to work on their connection. They are just a tiny bit off and we’re missing out on 10+ points there. Reminds me of Kasi Kushkituah playing with Westbrook and Hayes. They would hit her in the hands 5 times a game and it would trickle out of bounds. When you’re playing a with a PG that’s got vision you have to be ready to receive the ball at ANY time.

With Powell’s scoring punch bringing her off the bench gives us a different look with more of a score first PG. She also brings a lot of hustle defensively and on the glass. Still think Wells is sneakily a better defender, she has those quick hands and reflexes that are so annoying as an opposing guard.

Seriously if our post could catch/be ready for her passes it’s a 20 pt/gm difference and that comes with extended pt together and practice

 

[th2421]

I agree with you. Destinee Wells is the starting PG. Not even debatable at this point.

She is running the offense and facilitating the ball it’s not her fault when players don’t finish or execute once she puts them in position.

Also the possibility of thinking Jewel Spear is going to come off the bench can’t be taken serious.

Comparing Wells and Powell this season so far:
- Points: 6.0 vs. 12.4
- FG%: 34.2% vs. 46.3%
- 3pt.%: 9.1% vs. 38.5%
- FT%: 75.0% vs. 76.0%
- Assists: 3.7 vs. 1.6
- Turnovers: 2.0 vs. 2.8
- A/TO ratio: 1.20 vs. 0.57
- Assist %: 25.6% vs. 9.8%
- Free throw rate: 15.6% vs. 30.0%
- Steals: 0.5 vs. 1.0
- Steal %: 1.0% vs. 1.5%
- PER: 12.2 vs. 19.7
- Win shares: 0.1 vs. 0.3

Powell has clearly been the better scorer and is shooting SO much better than last season. Her defensive numbers are a little better but neither player really stands out. Wells hasn't really found her shot yet (to put it nicely) but her ability to create for others is clearly way ahead of Powell's right now. At this point, I think I'd agree that Wells should be the starting point guard if for no other reason than that A/TO ratio comparison. I feel more comfortable with Wells initiating the offense than starting off the game with Powell's TO rate. And I agree with others who noted Powell can be a great scoring spark off the bench.

Notre Dame will have a similar debate if/when Miles is healthy this season. Do you start the elite creator (Miles) or the player who can really score and disrupt things defensively, but has a high turnover rate (Hidalgo)?

I think it's great to have two point guards who bring something different.

 

[VolFuture]

Comparing Wells and Powell this season so far:
- Points: 6.0 vs. 12.4
- FG%: 34.2% vs. 46.3%
- 3pt.%: 9.1% vs. 38.5%
- FT%: 75.0% vs. 76.0%
- Assists: 3.7 vs. 1.6
- Turnovers: 2.0 vs. 2.8
- A/TO ratio: 1.20 vs. 0.57
- Assist %: 25.6% vs. 9.8%
- Free throw rate: 15.6% vs. 30.0%
- Steals: 0.5 vs. 1.0
- Steal %: 1.0% vs. 1.5%
- PER: 12.2 vs. 19.7
- Win shares: 0.1 vs. 0.3

Powell has clearly been the better scorer and is shooting SO much better than last season. Her defensive numbers are a little better but neither player really stands out. Wells hasn't really found her shot yet (to put it nicely) but her ability to create for others is clearly way ahead of Powell's right now. At this point, I think I'd agree that Wells should be the starting point guard if for no other reason than that A/TO ratio comparison. I feel more comfortable with Wells initiating the offense than starting off the game with Powell's TO rate. And I agree with others who noted Powell can be a great scoring spark off the bench.

Notre Dame will have a similar debate if/when Miles is healthy this season. Do you start the elite creator (Miles) or the player who can really score and disrupt things defensively, but has a high turnover rate (Hidalgo)?

I think it's great to have two point guards who bring something different.

Great synopsis

 

[WinnerCircle]

I think Powell needs to be our spark off the bench and she needs to own that role.

The team runs better when Wells has the ball. She has the IQ and passing we’ve been missing for a long time. She puts a lot of pressure on the defense making the right read. Just as you said, her teammates need to catch and finish.

Wells and Hollingshed really need to work on their connection. They are just a tiny bit off and we’re missing out on 10+ points there. Reminds me of Kasi Kushkituah playing with Westbrook and Hayes. They would hit her in the hands 5 times a game and it would trickle out of bounds. When you’re playing a with a PG that has got vision you have to be ready to receive the ball at ANY time.

With Powell’s scoring punch bringing her off the bench gives us a different look with more of a score first PG. She also brings a lot of hustle defensively and on the glass. Still think Wells is sneakily a better defender, she has those quick hands and reflexes that are so annoying as an opposing guard.

Facts.

 

[VolFuture]

Jordys mom talking bout some (most) of u

 

[madtownvol]

Wishful thinking on both our parts because when we get Rickea back it’s definitely Jewel heading to the bench.

Tess was coming off the bench in the early season games before Rickea went out - starting line-up at Florida st was Rickea, Jewel, Sara, Jillian, and Jaz

 

[madtownvol]

Jordys mom talking bout some (most) of u

Spot on. It seems that too many LV fans can't even enjoy an exciting win.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

You make a good point about who guards Hidalgo. But also remember she takes a lot of shots, Yes she had 31 against SC but took 24 shots to.

If Wells is elite like everyone said over the summer, she should be able to go head to head with Hidalgo. I have no opinion on the matchup.

 

[Dak1219]

The thing is we can’t wait for that spark off the bench. You can tell how them game will go in the first 5 minutes. You cant tell me the point play hasn’t looked better with Powell running it.

Wells has almost triple the assists and less turnover playing about 10 minutes less than JP. Point guard has to set teammates up to score. The numbers I mentioned speak for themself.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Wells has almost triple the assists and less turnover playing about 10 minutes less than JP. Point guard has to set teammates up to score. The numbers I mentioned speak for themself.

And Jas avg more rebounds, steals and is shooting 46% from the field and shooting almost 40% from 3. Wells avg 1 TO less than Jas right now shooting 34% from the field and 9% from 3. She also avg 3.7 ast to 2 TO. The numbers and my eyes say and see something different.

 

[VolFuture]

Spot on. It seems that too many LV fans can't even enjoy an exciting win.

It’s not like wins are coming easy for anyone this year either.

 

[Dak1219]

And Jas avg more rebounds, steals and is shooting 46% from the field and shooting almost 40% from 3. Wells avg 1 TO less than Jas right now shooting 34% from the field and 9% from 3. She also avg 3.7 ast to 2 TO. The numbers and my eyes say and see something different.

22 assists to 8 assists is a big disparity. Also note alot of Jaz's scoring and rebounding is coming while playing along side of Destiny, i.e. who got Jaz the ball on the last shot yesterday?

 

[Texas]

If it is like you say she shouldn't be playing at all there would be no future in it. A person with a low ejection fraction or strucural heart damage should not be running at all way to dangerous. I can't see any way they would clear her for any physical activity of such and intense physical sport if her condition is as you specify. If they did then that is certainly medical malpractiice. My post is clear that if she is 100 percent cleared of any medical problems her physical progression seems a bit slow. I am hoping she can get back to where she was because she could have a long basketball career far beyond Tennessee.

I am not certain it’s black or white like that. For one thing, Cardiac rehab has been shown to be beneficial for most cardiac patients. Also, lung tissue has been shown to have a capacity to regenerate. It was caught early comparatively to many as she was still fairly capable. What I suggest is that there is more than ordinary deconditioning, there could be damage. The current model for treatment is to not sit on one’s arse for the rest of their life.

To address medical clearance or being released 100% or whatever terminology was used, being cleared medically, usually means a patient is stable and the risk of recurrence is negligible. A patient exercising her way back to her new peak ability would likely be encouraged by the healthcare team.

Regarding malpractice, it seems it would be malpractice to tell a patient to not exercise.

On a final note, I stand by the assertion that posts deriding TK or criticizing her progress are rude. Even if one is an expert in the cardiopulmonary care, then they would know the gravity of a PE and should refrain from disparaging players.

 

[VolBall09]

22 assists to 8 assists is a big disparity. Also note alot of Jaz's scoring and rebounding is coming while playing along side of Destiny, i.e. who got Jaz the ball on the last shot yesterday?

Yes. Our best lineup is Wells, Powell, Spear, Jackson/Puckett, Hollingshed.

Striplin and Hollingshed are both serviceable at the 5. Karo got a lot of experience last season and it shows. Jill has the athleticism and potential but Karo has the meat and potatoes to her game.