Game Thread: #20 Lady Vols v #16 Ohio State: Sunday Dec 3 @ 5PM; Home, ESPN

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madtownvol said:
That sums it all up quite well. The one encouraging development from this last game is that we all wrote Tamari off too soon. She looked a whole lot better, leaps and bounds better from her last appearance.

I can now envision a decent level of performance by TK (maybe 80%) when conference portion of the schedule kicks nd we hopefully have 100% Rickea back-- that would be a different team from this one.

Spears has been, with the exception of one or two games, underperforming. She needs to get more aggressive. Hopefully, this preseason is her adjustment curve and she will be more in the flow by conference time, same for Destiny.

It is just hard to win shooting 35% from the paint and 18% from 3point land and not having a big edge in rebounds. And see Spears was 0-17 from the field. Not even close to acceptable.

She is the teams #2 option and without #1 in the line-up, 0-17 gets you an L. But she had company in the brick layer school of shooting. Only Sara and Destiny hit a decent %.

Some of this had to do with OSU's pressure and some may related to the LVs's offensive schemes but the reality is that they were missing WIDE OPEN jumpers, though several were half in and rattled out.

Honestly, I don't think you place that much blame on the offensive Xs and Os. They got the shots they wanted but execution (like making open jumpers) was missing.

The bigger systemic problems was that the LVs could not get after OSU defensively. The pressure was all coming from one direction.

They will have better shooting nights and Rickea will help on the boards and scoring but they have to dial up the defensive intensity (a lot) if they are going to be competitive in the SEC.
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Key playing well was the big win for the day.
 
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I would caution everyone against raising expectations for Tamari too quickly based on her being able to play more minutes yesterday. I don't know about anyone else, but throughout my entire lifetime, including back in the day when I was a D1 athlete, no matter how much pain I could be in for weeks at a time due to injury, there were always days here in there when my body would give me a break and I'd feel suddenly good and strong and was able to go. Perhaps it was due to high adrenaline, but for that ONE day, the energy felt like a miracle. But then I might be frustratingly back to severe pain the very next day.

Now, I don't want to say Tamari is like that -- I hope she's not! God knows how much I want her to be able to play and enjoy her final year on Rocky Top. 🥹

I'm just saying that if the next game she goes back to only being to play 7 minutes, I would not be shocked.
 
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Majors said:
Key playing well was the big win for the day.
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Not to rain on the parade, but TK still has a long, long way to go. Yes she was leaps and bounds better, but we have to remember where she was coming from. Which was basically not being able to run the floor more than twice. Now if she continues to make strides at the rate she did yesterday, then we're talking.

KJH sorta hinted that not playing in the ND game lit a spark in TK. Said she had the best two practices of her recovery after that, so she knew she could give her mins against OSU. She's constantly talked about TK's confidence, and I think that's been a stumbling block. But she apparently pushed past some of that last week. Haleluejah

Edited to add: lvocd and I were apparently simil-posting the same thoughts re TK. Scary!
 
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glv98 said:
Not to rain on the parade, but TK still has a long, long way to go. Yes she was leaps and bounds better, but we have to remember where she was coming from. Which was basically not being able to run the floor more than twice. Now if she continues to make strides at the rate she did yesterday, then we're talking.

KJH sorta hinted that not playing in the ND game lit a spark in TK. Said she had the best two practices of her recovery after that, so she knew she could give her mins against OSU. She's constantly talked about TK's confidence, and I think that's been a stumbling block. But she apparently pushed past some of that last week. Haleluejah

Edited to add: lvocd and I were apparently simil-posting the same thoughts re TK. Scary!
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Just a small victory for her yesterday.
 
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Majors said:
Just a small victory for her yesterday.
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For sure, a much deserved small victory and for the team too.

Listen, if I ever had blood clots in my lungs I wouldn't be confident to get out of the recliner the rest of my life, much less play D1 basketball. I think TK's confidence in her own body has been shaky, but she pushed past some of that yesterday. Good on her.
 
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madtownvol said:
She is the teams #2 option and without #1 in the line-up, 0-17 gets you an L. But she had company in the brick layer school of shooting. Only Sara and Destiny hit a decent %
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LOL it was bad enough for Jewel, don't make it worse. She was 0-9 total, 0-8 fm three and 0-1 fm two pt range.

But yes, that's unacceptable and along w her very spotty D, is what got her pulled. It's alarming to me that she only took one shot that wasn't a three. I thought she would be much better creating her shot off the dribble. Saw that alot in her WF footage. Jewel definitely misses the massive defensive distraction of Rickea.
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
AMEN CJ!!! As i always say 100% of everything is under control of HC...... and as i have read you say things many peeps say are not coachable in fact ARE coachable e.g. 3 pt shooting free throws etc....
Things are happening which are inexcusable
it is not an argument about superstars whether Rickea plays or not (Alabama with no stars beat us 5 in a row) it is about playing together team chemistry positioning being in shape protecting the ball etc
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Commas are yer friends…
 
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Two excellent analyses from both glv and mad. Not glossing over the obvious weaknesses while simultaneously offering suggestions for correcting the problems. And doing it optimistically rather than throwing in the towel. That's reality coupled with support.

Yes, we should definitely look better on both ends even missing key players. A sounder system should be able to absorb injuries without collapsing. But we can also note that we would look far different with a healthy Key and Jackson. And we have the rest of this month to work on fixing the glaring issues so we don't beat ourselves with unforced errors on both ends.
 
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Maria said to KJH Hollingshead looked so much more comfortable with TK on the floor, WHAT! and KJH did not not respond with the correct answer. The correct answer should have been she needs to play better give us more on both ends of the floor. TK will not be at full throttle this season.

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glv98 said:
LOL it was bad enough for Jewel, don't make it worse. She was 0-9 total, 0-8 fm three and 0-1 fm two pt range.

But yes, that's unacceptable and along w her very spotty D, is what got her pulled. It's alarming to me that she only took one shot that wasn't a three. I thought she would be much better creating her shot off the dribble. Saw that alot in her WF footage. Jewel definitely misses the massive defensive distraction of Rickea.
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Oops, I misread that. I will correct the error but it sure felt like she was 0-17 when watching the game!!!
 
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glv98 said:
Great post. The unholy trinity of poor ball movement, high t.o.s and poor 3 pt shooting has been the LV problem for lo these many years, dating back to PHS later years. It's exactly where Geno caught and passed us. PHS knew this and went out looking for help, but was never able to update her system. Neither were/are her two immediate successors.

What this staff needs is not an Alpha, Beta or Zeta or any of that silly cliche crap. It's an offensive minded genius.
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Pretty much agree. There was that one season where Pat went looking for help from Harry Perretta at Villanova, and came back with a motion offense that I thought was actually quite effective, but I don't know that we ever went back to it (now 20 years later).

I loved that 2002-03 team - talk about a loaded roster with Gwen Jackson, Kara Lawson, Shyra Ely, Loree Moore, Ashley Robinson, Tasha Butts, Brittany Jackson, Tye'sha Fluker, LaToya Davis, and Courtney McDaniel...! That team was 14th in the NCAA in 3pt. %. We haven't been in the top 100 in 3pt. % since the 2016-17 season, and the top 25 since 2012-13.
 
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creekdipper said:
Hoping Kellie and staff can help our team turn this around.

Head coach gets credit for wins; head coach must shoulder blame for losses. That's the way it works.

The next four months will be revealing caliber of coaches, players, and fans.
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I always give all the credit to the players when we won. I always excepted the lose. I let my players know that I did not coach well enough to let them win. My players always played hard and gave me all that they had.
 
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Good points. I was speaking in generalities re: the coach getting credit (overall resumes). The great ones acknowledge the players' efforts being responsible for tge wins but also don't shy away from taking personal responsibility for the losses even while holding pkayers accountable.
 
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djtee said:
Maria said to KJH Hollingshead looked so much more comfortable with TK on the floor, WHAT! and KJH did not not respond with the correct answer. The correct answer should have been she needs to play better give us more on both ends of the floor. TK will not be at full throttle this season.

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What was wrong w the answer? It was like, yeah I know, I agree. KJH has said many times Jill needs to be more aggressive on both ends. That is not exactly a state secret.

Jill's a better 4 than a post. She's really not a banger, though she gives it good effort. Jill has such a pretty shot, she's more a finesse player.

So whatever relief TK is able to give Jill to step out is a good thing. The positives of playing TK have to outweigh the negatives though, and until suddenly Sunday that wasn't the case. She's made a leap though and if she continues to log effective minutes, that helps Jill and the team so much.

Most surprising to me was that TK was physically able to go up and down for 16 mins. That's a great sign.
 
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glv98 said:
What was wrong w the answer? It was like, yeah I know, I agree. KJH has said many times Jill needs to be more aggressive on both ends. That is not exactly a state secret.

Jill's a better 4 than a post. She's really not a banger, though she gives it good effort. Jill has such a pretty shot, she's more a finesse player.

So whatever relief TK is able to give Jill to step out is a good thing. The positives of playing TK have to outweigh the negatives though, and until suddenly Sunday that wasn't the case. She's made a leap though and if she continues to log effective minutes, that helps Jill and the team so much.

Most surprising to me was that TK was physically able to go up and down for 16 mins. That's a great sign.
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Jill is freaking LAZY. Plays with little and sometimes NO EFFORT. I see No sense of urgency in any player that touched the floor last night. OSU played like their hair was on fire. I'd say they know what their coach expects from them. I can handle losing. What I can't handle is losing with NO EFFORT. They have to play Hard for 40 minutes. They aren't good enough to win if they don't.
 
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AllVols3 said:
Jill is freaking LAZY. Plays with little and sometimes NO EFFORT. I see No sense of urgency in any player that touched the floor last night. OSU played like their hair was on fire. I'd say they know what their coach expects from them. I can handle losing. What I can't handle is losing with NO EFFORT. They have to play Hard for 40 minutes. They aren't good enough to win if they don't.
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BS
 
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glv98 said:
BS
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What game did you watch South Carolina vs Duke? Both those teams play hard. We were getting beat back after we scored. That's pure and simple LACK OF EFFORT!! It was Embarrassing . People wonder why attendance is down, whose paying to watch that Shitshow? Not many.
 
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madtownvol said:
Anyone can see what the team is really missing is a theta, an epsilon and, of course, an omicron.

We are just a team of gammas, iotas, and kappas.
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Delta Dawn can be there tomorrow to help Zorba teach them to do what they need to know.
As Coach Thumpah always says, “You feta believe it!”
 
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