Game Thread: #20 Lady Vols v #16 Ohio State: Sunday Dec 3 @ 5PM; Home, ESPN

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Butch s said:
I was not one who was opposed to her hiring at first, but now it appears those who were are smarter than the rest of us, also don’t think you meant to say “blood clits”
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You are correct there...just as I didn't mean to type "clised out."

Too late to renege?

Sigh. Keyboards. The bane of humankind (but the boon of Mudcat).
 
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Butch s said:
Sorry understand now you did see it also
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I regularly hit "i" for "o." One-finger punching (the ol' one-finger death punch!) was my downfall. No, actually, failibg to proofread was my downfall.

Thanks for catching my error. It was funny, and hopefully none of the fairer gender were offended. Most of us here can laugh at a good typo, especially when it's our own expense!
 
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i look at turnovers and rebounding Turnovers has to do with process of play protecting the ball fundamentals we had 20 of them and Ohio State scored 28 points off them that is worth repeating 28 points!!!
And wow rebounding their coach said that they worked on that in practice during week because of LVs big size... and rebounding is largely about hustle and positioning.... and we were outrebounded 45 to 36 i think 17 to 9 on offensive boards absolutely deflating
 
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Watched the game and it was very ugly, not much else can be said.

I posted last week that Harper stopped the bleeding from Warlick. She did, but now has a wound of her own that has opened. The LVs just don't have the talent to compete with the top teams right now and that falls on Harper and poor recruiting plus player development. Yesterday was one long game of poor passes, ill advised shots, no discernable offense or game plan. OSU isn't a slouch team but it shouldn't be 20+ points better than UT at home.

RJ can cure a lot of ills but I don't think it's realistic to think she will cure what's happening right now. This team is very slow, lacks any chemistry, and seems to have no idea how to get any stops or be able to produce points when needed.

We all know Harper isn't getting fired mid year unless there is a player revolt or worse. There is still time to make it a good year but there is no illusion anymore this is beyond a early round NCAA team at best. That's the ceiling for this year.

This spring White will have to decide if he wants to invest in the LV program enough to bring back Harper for another season. This really is who they are right now.
 
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MsSportsGuy said:
Watched the game and it was very ugly, not much else can be said.

I posted last week that Harper stopped the bleeding from Warlick. She did, but now has a wound of her own that has opened. The LVs just don't have the talent to compete with the top teams right now and that falls on Harper and poor recruiting plus player development. Yesterday was one long game of poor passes, ill advised shots, no discernable offense or game plan. OSU isn't a slouch team but it shouldn't be 20+ points better than UT at home.

RJ can cure a lot of ills but I don't think it's realistic to think she will cure what's happening right now. This team is very slow, lacks any chemistry, and seems to have no idea how to get any stops or be able to produce points when needed.

We all know Harper isn't getting fired mid year unless there is a player revolt or worse. There is still time to make it a good year but there is no illusion anymore this is beyond a early round NCAA team at best. That's the ceiling for this year.

This spring White will have to decide if he wants to invest in the LV program enough to bring back Harper for another season. This really is who they are right now.
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Well said
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
i look at turnovers and rebounding Turnovers has to do with process of play protecting the ball fundamentals we had 20 of them and Ohio State scored 28 points off them that is worth repeating 28 points!!!
And wow rebounding their coach said that they worked on that in practice during week because of LVs big size... and rebounding is largely about hustle and positioning.... and we were outrebounded 45 to 36 i think 17 to 9 on offensive boards absolutely deflating
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This has accounted for three of our four losses. Turnovers and poor board play. Were not getting better just keep repeating the failures. The Florida State game was lost at the free throw line seven missed and poor three point defense. Really can't have any expectations for this team getting better other than what Tamari who looked good last night could bring along with a return of Rickea Jackson. It at least makes us competitive again.
 
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MsSportsGuy said:
Watched the game and it was very ugly, not much else can be said.

I posted last week that Harper stopped the bleeding from Warlick. She did, but now has a wound of her own that has opened. The LVs just don't have the talent to compete with the top teams right now and that falls on Harper and poor recruiting plus player development. Yesterday was one long game of poor passes, ill advised shots, no discernable offense or game plan. OSU isn't a slouch team but it shouldn't be 20+ points better than UT at home.

RJ can cure a lot of ills but I don't think it's realistic to think she will cure what's happening right now. This team is very slow, lacks any chemistry, and seems to have no idea how to get any stops or be able to produce points when needed.

We all know Harper isn't getting fired mid year unless there is a player revolt or worse. There is still time to make it a good year but there is no illusion anymore this is beyond a early round NCAA team at best. That's the ceiling for this year.

This spring White will have to decide if he wants to invest in the LV program enough to bring back Harper for another season. This really is who they are right now.
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I refuse to put this on the players
if they are playing uninspired ball....who is it that is supposed to inspire them?
 
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Coach Jumper said:
I refuse to put this on the players
if they are playing uninspired ball....who is it that is supposed to inspire them?
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^^This

When Kellie pulled the starting 5 in the third all of their faces were of defeat. She barely ridiculed them. Then she put them back in…

Like get into those behinds
 
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Coach Jumper said:
I refuse to put this on the players
if they are playing uninspired ball....who is it that is supposed to inspire them?
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AMEN CJ!!! As i always say 100% of everything is under control of HC...... and as i have read you say things many peeps say are not coachable in fact ARE coachable e.g. 3 pt shooting free throws etc....
Things are happening which are inexcusable
it is not an argument about superstars whether Rickea plays or not (Alabama with no stars beat us 5 in a row) it is about playing together team chemistry positioning being in shape protecting the ball etc
 
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Coach Jumper said:
I refuse to put this on the players
if they are playing uninspired ball....who is it that is supposed to inspire them?
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My post stated I put the blame on Harper, not sure how you got I was blaming the players out of that.

Coaches can't make plays but they can put their players in a position to succeed. I don't think that's happened this season.
 
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MsSportsGuy said:
My post stated I put the blame on Harper, not sure how you got I was blaming the players out of that.

Coaches can't make plays but they can put their players in a position to succeed. I don't think that's happened this season.
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What happens if the players can’t or don’t execute the plays the coach is telling them to make?
 
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turbovol said:
We need a more demanding, tough-minded coach, but your constant reference to "alpha" coaches and players has become a bit tiresome,
if I may say so.

Our big problems are:

1) we play too slowly on offense . Our player and ball movement are too slow, and we don't pass the ball well consistently, which leads to turnovers. We have been a bad moving and passing team for MANY years. We don't play offense with a team purpose. In every game against a quality opponent, the opponent has a better assist/turnover ratio than we do.We consistently have 20 turnovers. You're not going to beat quality opponents with 20 TOs.

OSU: 16 assists, 12 TOs
UT: 12 assists, 20 TOs

2) The second offensive problem is that we can't make threes. 5 for 27 yesterday. That is absolutely terrible. If we'd made 10 of 27, that would still be a low shooting percentage but the game would have been much closer. Part of the issue here may trace back to poor/slow ball movement, which can mean that the shots we do take are sometimes/often rushed. Quality opponents almost always shoot at a higher overall percentage than we do.

On defense, our big problem yesterday and in other games is that our rebounding is bad. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds to OSU yesterday.

Basic problems that we see week after week---and the TO and shooting and general offensive problems we see year after year--and add up to a bad basketball team. Jackson would help, of course, but she also just masks our poor team fundamentals.
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Great post. The unholy trinity of poor ball movement, high t.o.s and poor 3 pt shooting has been the LV problem for lo these many years, dating back to PHS later years. It's exactly where Geno caught and passed us. PHS knew this and went out looking for help, but was never able to update her system. Neither were/are her two immediate successors.

What this staff needs is not an Alpha, Beta or Zeta or any of that silly cliche crap. It's an offensive minded genius.
 
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Looking back, while the Fla St loss was so painful, that is the LV team I thought we would be against top 20 teams. While Rickea was going off for 31/17, Jewel scored 18 and Sara 15, and Tess had 10 pts and 9 rebounds. The extra room to operate due to the defensive attention on RJ allowed them to thrive. The offensive output was so much better that it almost survived a very poor game by JP and Wells, who combined for 9 t.o.s and shot poorly. Defense was obviously spotty, giving up 92 pts, but I always thought we would, and could, outscore teams.

Remember how well Sara played offensively early? Remember when Jewel set a record for 3s in a debut? Those two have really suffered from not having Rickea in the lineup. Now they get all the defensive focus. And Sara has to post way too much.

Not having RJ is a big part of our rebounding problem too. She had 24 reb in the two official games she played. KJH said someone would have to step up their rebounding this season and Rickea did.

It's true RJ is a bandaid on what ails us, but she sure was a good one. We just have to get her back, and healthy. Then go from there and hope the ship hasn't taken on too much water.

After MTSU and EKU this week, there's a nine day break for final exams before cupcaking up on Wofford, then an almost two week break before the last non con game at Liberty. Thats three weeks with only two games. Plenty of time to reset, practice, and for the love of the basketball gods, heal up.

If RJ still can't go this week, surely she'll be good for some mins to knock the rust off in those last two noncom games. Would love to have her back for MTSU though, bc that's far from a given and if we lose that one, the sky will truly fall.
 
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creekdipper said:
Hoping Kellie and staff can help our team turn this around.

Head coach gets credit for wins; head coach must shoulder blame for losses. That's the way it works.

The next four months will be revealing caliber of coaches, players, and fans.
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That sums it all up quite well. The one encouraging development from this last game is that we all wrote Tamari off too soon. She looked a whole lot better, leaps and bounds better from her last appearance.

I can now envision a decent level of performance by TK (maybe 80%) when conference portion of the schedule kicks nd we hopefully have 100% Rickea back-- that would be a different team from this one.

Spears has been, with the exception of one or two games, underperforming. She needs to get more aggressive. Hopefully, this preseason is her adjustment curve and she will be more in the flow by conference time, same for Destiny.

It is just hard to win shooting 35% from the paint and 18% from 3point land and not having a big edge in rebounds. And Spears was a horrific 0-9 (and 0 for 8 from 3pt) from the field. Not even close to acceptable.

She is the teams #2 option and without #1 in the line-up, 0-9 gets you an L. And why only 1 attempt from inside the three point line. Get to the rim, make OSU foul you. She has the ability to beat people off the dribble.

But Jewel had company in the brick layer school of shooting. Only Sara and Destiny hit a decent %.

Some of this had to do with OSU's pressure and some may related to the LVs's offensive schemes but the reality is that they were missing WIDE OPEN jumpers, though several were half in and rattled out.

Honestly, I don't think you place that much blame on the offensive Xs and Os. They got the shots they wanted but execution (like making open jumpers) was missing.

The bigger systemic problem is that the LVs could not get after OSU defensively. The pressure was all coming from one direction.

They will have better shooting nights and Rickea will help on the boards and scoring but they have to dial up the defensive intensity (a lot) if they are going to be competitive in the SEC.
 
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