Game Thread: Carson Newman v Lady Vols, Thurs Oct 31; Home-FCC; 6:30PM; SEC+ network....Win Lv's 135-49

Marshall's 2023 opener against UPike (NAIA, Appalacian Athletic) had a final 127-76. I think that's about what we should expect — even if we do a good job holding C-N to a low points-per-possession, they'll still have a lot of possessions overall. But so will we!

I think most of the predictions are below quite a bit on how many points both teams will score. If the O/U was 150, I'd take the over. If it was 170, I'd think about it.

I suspect that many people are hearing about the defense in coach's system and thinking that means to expect low scoring from C-N, but that isn't what her defense is about. Her defense loves creating offense. Pressing hard after scoring. Pressing hard after missing. Getting steals, turning them into easy buckets. And because you're committing to pressing anyway, you can commit more girls to offensive rebounding than most teams do. Meaning that you'll not only generate a lot of offense off of your defense, but also generate a lot of second-chance points! (Marshall was 5th in offensive rebounds per game, and Troy [another System team] was 2nd in ORPG in 2023]

And of course, that comes at a cost, or everyone would play aggressive defense! C-N will get some transition buckets back. They'll score more than 50 points, almost surely. What matters here is that you have to evaluate the defense by how many points they create AND give up, not just how much they give up. If the defense gives up 60, but generates 20, that's only a -40 performance, which is better than giving up 45 but generating 0, a -45 performance, to explain what I mean by that.

It's natural to think that the defense is purely about preventing points, especially since that's how most coaches (in men's and women's) use their defense — very passively. Defense like this generally only really generates scoring when the opponents mess up. But the fact is that all the points that Tennessee's defense scores (or the points that C-N's offense allows, depending on how you want to look at it) are worth the same as the points that the Tennessee offense scores. And dominating the offensive boards for second-chance points is the cherry on top! That's something that nobody will credit the defense/defensive system for, but it will happen largely going to be due to the way that we commit to playing defense, which allows us to also commit to maximizing offensive rebounds — at the cost of some easy 2s on the other end. (which is okay: for all the easy 2s we give up, the steals and 2nd-chance points should more than make up for it)

So when evaluating our defense tonight, don't simply look at points allowed. Hell, don't even just look at points per possession. (though that would be better than points allowed alone)

Give the defense some credit for the steals that turn into easy points -- and those second-chance points off loose balls that we get because we don't drift into a passive defense after every shot. That's all a part of the same system which views tough defense not just as a points-per-possession matter, but in terms of fighting hard for rebounds, and for steals that turn into quick 'offense'. (but credit the defense for generating those easy layups)

UT - 118
C-N - 65


GO BIG ORANGE! NEW ERA TIME, YEEHAW!

Hopefully, if all goes well, we'll lead the country in threes, steals, offensive rebounds, and points. We'll probably allow somewhere between 70 to 80 points per game en route to doing that, but we'll average between 80 to 90 points per game, and all that matters is whether you have more points than your opponent when the final buzzer rings.
 
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Starters:
One - Samara Spencer
Two - Jewell Spear
Three - Ruby Whitehorn
Four - Sara Puckett

Jillian Hollingshead finally appears completely healthy. She's talented. She's precious. She can dunk!
Coach Caldwell has consistently boasted of Lazaria Spearman's "day and night" improvement. That gets rewarded, right?
So ...
Five - Lazaria Spearman. But, keep the eraser handy.

Alyssa Latham - I literally have (IMO) our best player starting ...on the bench.

Tess is fully capable of starting. And leading.

Kaniya - On balance, as good as we have. Coach Caldwell will play her as much as possible, while helping her scale the Freshman Wall.

We should see double-digit minutes from every cleared player.
I'm focusing on Avery Strickland. From our briefest video glimpses, she has been well-positioned and correct, especially her defensive footwork. And, she sure can shoot!
Favor - Are the days of recruiting "for depth" long past? She's strong and capable.
Destiny - Hoping to see her on the move, and at high pace.
Edie - Can shoot, can handle; plays hard. And smart.
Cheers.

Cheers.
 
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Starters:
One - Samara Spencer
Two - Jewell Spear
Three - Ruby Whitehorn
Four - Sara Puckett

Jillian Hollingshead finally appears completely healthy. She's talented. She's precious. She can dunk!
Coach Caldwell has consistently boasted of Lazaria Spearman's "day and night" improvement. That gets rewarded, right?
So ...
Five - Lazaria Spearman. But, keep the eraser handy.

Alyssa Latham - I literally have (IMO) our best player starting ...on the bench.

Tess is fully capable of starting. And leading.

Kaniya - On balance, as good as we have. Coach Caldwell will play her as much as possible, while helping her scale the Freshman Wall.

We should see double-digit minutes from every cleared player.
I'm focusing on Avery Strickland. From our briefest video glimpses, she has been well-positioned and correct, especially her defensive footwork. And, she sure can shoot!
Favor - Are the days of recruiting "for depth" long past? She's strong and capable.
Destiny - Hoping to see her on the move, and at high pace.
Edie - Can shoot, can handle; plays hard. And smart.
Cheers.

Cheers.
I think you forgot Cooper!
 
Samara Spencer (25 mins)
Jewel Spear (24 mins)
Talaysia Cooper (24 mins)
Alyssa Latham (23 mins)
Sarah Puckett (23 mins)
Ruby Whitehorn (23 mins)
Zee Spearman (12 mins)
Destinee Wells (11 mins)
Kaniya Boyd (9 mins)
Tess Darby (8 mins)
Jillian Hollingshead (8 mins)
Favor Ayodele (5 mins)
Avery Strickland (3 mins)
Edie Darby (2 mins)

200 Minutes
 
If we were playing a very contested, need-to-win game right now, here's how I would distribute the minutes:

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Whitehorn and Latham will play more minutes than that, a lot more. Whitehorn has over 60 starts in the ACC and Latham had something like 28 starts as a freshman on the way to All ACC freshman. Those two will be key cogs for LV’s this season, I have no doubt about either doing so. CKC did not bring in either of those two to play 10-15 minutes per game.

There is a lot of discussion about Spearman lately. She had something like 12 starts at Miami, and though she has great potential, it would surprise me if she plays a bunch more than Hollingshead, similar results I suppose. Hard to see the two being on the court together a bunch in this system, maybe I‘m wrong about that but don’t think so.

The lineups that will be like cyclones will be heavy with the athletes that have skills in an open court, think of players like Coop, Spencer, Whitehorn, Spear, Latham, Puckett to a degree (hi BB IQ) and there is a chance Wells has the game to excel in this system. I think T. Darby will carve out a role also with her 3pt shot. I’m not thinking that this staff will play a traditional post all the time just for size, they will go with 5 best athletes a bunch when they get it rolling downhill in a hurry.
 
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I’m curious about the lack of faith in Darby. Care to share? Big fan of Avery?
IMO, Avery is an unknown. She very well could be a nice fit in this new system, she is extremely athletic. I guess we have to wait and see on her, her shooting % is probably the one thing we need to see first. It has to increase for her to make a bigger contribution.
 
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I’m curious about the lack of faith in Darby. Care to share? Big fan of Avery?

The change in style plays right into Ace's wheelhouse.

Tess lacks the wheels to pay press man to man defense from baseline to baseline. If we have any of our 6' 2"+ players get banged up I could see her helping there.
 
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Because of this new system Kim uses, I think the scrimmage is a good indicator of the players and coaches’ progress. Scrimmages are about reviewing progress and identifying weaknesses.

The top 8 Players will average 23 minutes of playing time. The best 5 will play the last two minutes of every quarter.
Yes. Per Coach. Based on productivity in previous games. In this case, possibly based on scrimmage play.
 
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The change in style plays right into Ace's wheelhouse.

Tess lacks the wheels to pay press man to man defense from baseline to baseline. If we have any of our 6'-3"+ players get banged up I could see her helping there.
She played a little defensive post last year and seemed to hold her own. Probably good match ups for her. Playing defense out on the perimeter was her weakness. I hope the conditioning and training has helped her develop a little more quickness.
 
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Just to repeat the news that seems to have been missed by many, it's been reported that Darby is out for an extended time with a foot injury.
 
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I'm thinking CKC is a coach who will pull players when they make mental mistakes, just to prevent them from repeating it and slowing down their own learning progress. But I don't remember her actually saying that.

Do y'all think she will be like Coach Barnes in that aspect, especially early in the season?
 
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Spear is the only solid starter I can predict not having seen them play. Final score 90-52
Spear and Spencer seem like locks. Unless I missed something, Spencer is PG1 on this team. Cooper, Whitehorn, Latham and Puckett are in play also for starter minutes. If CKC wants a big in the starting 5 take your pick between Jill and Spearman, same difference really.
 
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