Game Thread: Lady Vols at Miss St; 7PM; SEC network

#951
#951
Please tell me why Wynn , Miles, and Pissott isn't getting important minutes ? Why are we soooooo baddddd ?
Starting to feel like those Holly years again.
 
#952
#952
creekdipper said:
That's their goal. Always has been, and a couple of the honest ones have even admitted it. And it would have been the same if we had won in regulation, only slightly less vocal. We'd still hear the same bleating to their BFF "Danny." 😆
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The goal is to get back to some semblance of the program Pat built. Have you seen any signs of Kellie being capable of that?
 
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Memvol44 said:
I fear both Justin and Sara are gone after this season. Sara doesn't even get a chance to get in the flow of a game. And notice she is Constantly looking back at the bench knowing she is about to be taken out after 3 minutes. She looks so confused at times. She doesn't have a roll or unsure if it. She came to play basketball, not watch. IMO
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Uh, I would expect more changes than just those two...sadly.
 
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#957
VolBalls33 said:
Having only Hollingshead at the post-game. Isn't there always 2 players with Kellie?
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Usually there are 2, not always, but thank God KJH had sense not to drag Rickea in there, and I'm sure everyone was just too tired and too upset.
Memvol44 said:
Sara doesn't even get a chance to get in the flow of a game. And notice she is Constantly looking back at the bench knowing she is about to be taken out after 3 minutes. She looks so confused at times. She doesn't have a roll or unsure if it. She came to play basketball, not watch. IMO
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Next to the scheduling malpractice and the RJ mismanagement, the inability to help Sara get where she should be has been one of the biggest disappointments of the season. She does look confused and restrained.
Prophet1 said:
Please tell me why Wynn , Miles, and Pissott isn't getting important minutes
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Because unlike the other players who have good skills in some areas and zero skills in others, the upside of these 3 does not outweigh the downside. Others, like Tess, Sara, Karo, and PGs can usually help if an effort is made to compensate for what they can't do. Wynn can occassionally help bc she is quick and can usually play D. But for a team that already struggles offensively, having Miles and Wynn out there is too big of an additional liability.

I hear the argument that Justine can't be worse than what we have out there. But from what I've watched in person, she just simply is not ready. I don't think she'd help any more than Tess does. Probably has more upside potential, but right now she's a baby giraffe on roller skates.
 
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Majors said:
Playing looking over your shoulder isn’t good- which means you’re playing scared to not make a mistake. Not playing and being away from home as a freshman isn’t good. Last thing Justine needs is self doubt.
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worth repeating
 
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glv98 said:
...I hear the argument that Justine can't be worse than what we have out there. But from what I've watched in person, she just simply is not ready. I don't think she'd help any more than Tess does. Probably has more upside potential, but right now she's a baby giraffe on roller skates.
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Baby giraffes that are nurtured and get to walk beside momma learn to walk quicker than baby giraffes that are stuck in the mud
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Baby giraffes that are nurtured and get to walk beside momma learn to walk quicker than baby giraffes that are stuck in the mud
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And that's always a coaching challenge. When do you throw in the towel on the current season and start playing for the future? When you do that, expect core players to also throw in the towel.
 
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BisonVol said:
The goal is to get back to some semblance of the program Pat built. Have you seen any signs of Kellie being capable of that?
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No becoming more like Holly. I thought it was the talent she inherited the first season, but she hasn't been able to improve much on that in the next three seasons. Without Jackson were not going to the NCAA that is a fact. She and Hollingshead kept us in that game last night not much from anyone else.
 
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glv98 said:
And that's always a coaching challenge. When do you throw in the towel on the current season and start playing for the future? When you do that, expect core players to also throw in the towel.
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You don't throw in the towel when you're squarely in third place in a 14-team P5 conference.

If LSU hadn't squeaked out their recent wins, does anyone think their fans would be asking Mulkey if it was time to throw in the towel for the season?
 
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creekdipper said:
You don't throw in the towel when you're squarely in third place in a 14-team P5 conference.

If LSU hadn't squeaked out their recent wins, does anyone think their fans would be asking Mulkey if it was time to throw in the towel for the season?
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If Kim had this roster and was looking at 10+ losses, no wins over ranked opponents and a likely early tourney exit due to overscheduling and bad losses, yes.

Hanging on to 3rd or 4th in the SEC is great, but the conference is weak and there's other issues with coaching. Outside a Cinderella run in one of the tourneys, this season has been a major disappointment and reviewing the coaching is a must.

That said, I'm actually against throwing in the towel now just to try to develop Justine. IMO she's way too far away for it to happen this season and I'm not sure playing her in her current state of unreadiness would be beneficial to her. Towel stays rolled up on the scorer's table.
 
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creekdipper said:
You don't throw in the towel when you're squarely in third place in a 14-team P5 conference.

If LSU hadn't squeaked out their recent wins, does anyone think their fans would be asking Mulkey if it was time to throw in the towel for the season?
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The big difference is Mulkey could afford a loss or two and still play their first two NCAA games at home. We can't afford any losses probably an 8 or 9 seed now and that is where death in the tourney comes early. We got to keep playing though miracles happen.
 
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glv98 said:
If Kim had this roster and was looking at 10+ losses, no wins over ranked opponents and a likely early tourney exit due to overscheduling and bad losses, yes.

Hanging on to 3rd or 4th in the SEC is great, but the conference is weak and there's other issues with coaching. Outside a Cinderella run in one of the tourneys, this season has been a major disappointment and reviewing the coaching is a must.

That said, I'm actually against throwing in the towel now just to try to develop Justine. IMO she's way too far away for it to happen this season and I'm not sure playing her in her current state of unreadiness would be beneficial to her. Towel stays rolled up on the scorer's table.
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It’s USC, LSU and everybody else….we are holding onto being the best of the everyone else. Not sure develop for the sake of Justine, but playing Justine because those ahead of her aren’t getting it done.
 
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madtownvol said:
I don't put any of this loss on Rickea who kept us in the game but I wish she was a more selfish player. I would rather see her force a few shots out of our stagnant offense sets rather than Powell or Walker-- the odds are better.
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KJH said 4 or 5 games ago she wished RJ was less unselfish and got up more shots. Said it again last night, also said they need to help her get those shots. Yes, they certainly do and that has been a coaching failure. As a result, RJ is already forcing shots bc she has to. Such a shame for a player so smooth and skilled.

Our go to move for last second plays is RJ posting up, which she does amazingly well, gets low, seals off and usually finishes. But don't know if you've seen RJ up close, I did when she came up to sign autographs after the Ole MIss game. (Unfortunately the line was too ginormious to wait out on a school night, so Game Buddy did not get the Rickea Top shirt signed.) But the point is, she's tiny. Not really skinny, but lean and slender as all get out. At 6'2", cannot weigh more than 145 lbs. So when she's making those post moves, she's giving up at least 30 lbs to everyone she's going against. Incredible how often she's able to succeed. Great body for a supermodel, not so much for a post.

So how about some screens or plays where she can curl into the lane for the short jumpers she's so good at? How about any plays to run the offense thru her without forcing her into desperation one on ones?

Part of the problem of course is also the girl with the curl. RJ needs JH to be present and a factor to keep her out of the forced zone. Too often, like last night, that does not happen.
Majors said:
Last thing Justine needs is self doubt.
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Exactly why she shouldn't be playing. She is not ready. Should she be? Would she be if played more earlier? Not sure, but right now all that playing can do is hurt her confidence.
 
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glv98 said:
KJH said 4 or 5 games ago she wished RJ was less unselfish and got up more shots. But she hasn't helped RJ to get those shots by running plays to get her open. So sadly, RJ is already forcing shots bc she has to. Such a shame for a player so smooth and skilled.

Our go to move for last second plays is RJ posting up, which she does amazingly well, gets low, seals off and usually finishes. But don't know if you've seen RJ up close, I did when she came up to sign autographs after the Ole MIss game. (Unfortunately the line was too ginormious to wait out on a school night, so Game Buddy did not get the Rickea Top shirt signed.) But the point is, she's tiny. Not really skinny, but lean and slender as all get out. At 6'2", cannot weigh more than 145 lbs. So when she's making those post moves, she's giving up at least 30 lbs to everyone she's going against. Incredible how often she's able to succeed.

So how about some screens or plays where she can curl into the lane for the short jumpers she's so good at? How about any plays to run the offense thru her without forcing her into desperation one on ones?

Part of the problem of course is also the girl with the curl. RJ needs JH to be present and be a factor to keep her out of the forced zone.

Exactly why she shouldn't be playing. She is not ready. Should she be? Would she be if played more earlier? Not sure, but right now all that playing can do is hurt her confidence.
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Will it hurt her confidence more than sitting? But contributing with 10 mins of play and things to build on? A few minutes of positives and coaching opportunities can go a long way. Not saying she needs to start but saying she needs experience the experience to grow. I’ve stated after around 10 games into the season, who’s coaching her and getting her ready or not ready.
 
#975
#975
I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Wynn get some minutes last night. I can't remember the last time I saw her on the
court---I certainly could have missed it. I say pleasantly surprised because she is athletic and can guard defensively, whereas the most
of the rest of the team don't move very well and/or are simply lousy defenders. They're poor man defenders because either they lack lateral quickness or they don't give enough effort or they lack the fundamentals to be a good defender.

Jackson, for example, is not a good defender because she doesn't really care 100 percent
about being a good defender. She plays defense upright--and that causes her to get beat off the dribble like most everyone else on the team.
She could be a very good defender if she wanted to, but it's clear that she isn't totally committed. You can't properly guard somebody with the ball
when you are practically standing straight up--and that's what she does. It's fundamentals and commitment--and on the defensive end, she doesn't
have them. We need her to be more committed defensively because the rest of the team struggles so much to defend.
 
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