Game thread: Ut vs. Lip

[Sandvol]

Her last season was a disaster. That was a really strong lineup that she had: Kinna, Glory, Meighan, Taber, Baugh...if not for her illness, there's no way that team would have finished the season as badly as they did and ended up with Baylor in the E8 again.

Not sure when the onset happened. It could have been gradually coming for years.

 

[SGMVols]

That is your argument? He still doesn't have a NC? The legions of boos will grow the longer that Holly is here. I just see the writing on the wall with this coach or non-coach. I used to look forward to watching Lady Vol basketball. But now it is just getting depressing watching these girls not being developed.

Nah, there won't be booing. People will just stop showing up to the games. Attendance is already down so far this year.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Still quacking I see. And the silly poll is meaningless.

I think we realize it's meaningless, but silly?? Come on. this is a fan forum, and polls like this create good discussion and forum participation. I still support holly, but I like to hear the other side too.

 

[Slydell]

So it wasn't about decorum. Just another Holly apologist.

Naw, I think all the polls on VN are silly and useless. I vote in some of the sometimes just to pass the time. Based of Vol fan population, the polls are an extremely sampling.

 

[Slydell]

I think we realize it's meaningless, but silly?? Come on. this is a fan forum, and polls like this create good discussion and forum participation. I still support holly, but I like to hear the other side too.

I guess I meant silly as in a knee jerk reaction poll. I support the LV's and have for a very, very long time.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Naw, I think all the polls on VN are silly and useless. I vote in some of the sometimes just to pass the time. Based of Vol fan population, the polls are an extremely sampling.

All polls are that way..part of it

The lady volnation forum this season is much more active than last, so if creating a poll helps bring on good discussions and dialog then I'm all for it.

 

[ivyleague]

Naw, I think all the polls on VN are silly and useless. I vote in some of the sometimes just to pass the time. Based of Vol fan population, the polls are an extremely sampling.

Indeed. Any poll on any internet forum is essentially useless. Not only is the sample size typically far, far too small to mean anything at all, but the views tend to come from extremes. The fact is, the vast majority of people don't come to internet forums -- especially fan forums -- to "discuss." They come to complain, whine, and bemoan how someone else could have done it better (whatever it entails). Take the referenced poll with a grain of salt. It isn't worth even that.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

I can understand both sides. However, just as an example, I always thought we fired fulmer way to soon and never gave him a chance to turn things around. The football program was in shambles for several years. Butch seems to be getting things straight, but not before the program was brought down nearly to the bottom. I don't want to see the same thing happen with holly and the lady vol program. Yes, she has coached some stinkers, but her overall body of work and especially her recruiting are still rock solid. If hart fires holly, how do we know he will make the right hire? what if he fires holly and we have a mass exodus of recruits , including diamond?? lets see how things work out with harrison back in the lineup and we are getting tucker back as well.

 

[Slydell]

So it wasn't about decorum. Just another Holly apologist.

Also, you do understand that attaching that label to me is only an attempt on your part to marginalize me? Right? Pretty sad.

 

[Slydell]

I can understand both sides. However, just as an example, I always thought we fired fulmer way to soon and never gave him a chance to turn things around. I don't want to see the same thing happen with holly and the lady vol program. Yes, she has coached some stinkers, but her overall body of work and especially her recruiting are still rock solid. If hart fires holly, how do we know he will make the right hire? what if he fires holly and we have a mass exodus of recruits , including diamond?? lets see how things work out with harrison back in the lineup and we are getting tucker back as well.

I agree on both counts. Some are always quick to want to fire a coach but don't think, or understand, what the consequences might be. Sometimes, it best to "dance with the one you brung."

 

[Darth_Vol]

I think we realize it's meaningless, but silly?? Come on. this is a fan forum, and polls like this create good discussion and forum participation. I still support holly, but I like to hear the other side too.

That's the thing, they don't have a side. All they have is name-calling. I've seen numerous well thought examples of questionable lineups and poor play calling. I haven't seen any evidence from her apologists of where Holly is actually coaching up the talent. All they point to is her overall record, her NCAA tournament runs (where she underperformed her seeding both years), and winning the SEC.... an overrated conference that hasn't placed a team in the Final Four since Pat's last title. That tells me the Lady Vols have had a lot of talent, it doesn't tell me they've been well coached.

 

[ivyleague]

My alma mater has never been incredibly competitive athletically, at least not in football or men's or women's basketball. This is due in large part to the fact that the university from which I graduated does not offer athletic scholarships and the admissions standards are exceptionally high. An amazing athlete who is also a decent (but not incredibly above average) student academically will likely not be offered admission. Not saying that is good or bad, it just is what it is. That said, I have never felt bad about rooting for the Lady Vols. I've been a diehard Lady Vols fan since I was about 10 years old (about 30 years). I attend as many games as I can. If I didn't live a little over two hours away and have a crazy work schedule, I'd buy season tickets, but as it is, that really isn't practical. I will say that there are plenty of my old college and grad school friends, mostly scattered about Virginia and the northeast, who are long-time Lady Vols fans because of me. They saw my interest and I guess it was contagious. These are people who probably would have never set foot inside the state of Tennessee who are now fans of the women's basketball program, who often buy tickets to some of the more competitive games despite living a good distance away. Back in the day, we watched every game we could on TV, though in the mid to late 90s that wasn't as easy as it is today. Even though UT is not our school, we still consider ourselves incredibly avid fans of the women's basketball program. Having said all that, I still often have difficulty wrapping my head around the extremes associated with the Tennessee fanbase. It seems as if they are never, never happy, never satisfied, and never really think their actions or "demands" through.

 

[ivyleague]

That's the thing, they don't have a side. All they have is name-calling. I've seen numerous well thought examples of questionable lineups and poor play calling. I haven't seen any evidence from her apologists of where Holly is actually coaching up the talent. All they point to is her overall record, her NCAA tournament runs (where she underperformed her seeding both years), and winning the SEC.... an overrated conference that hasn't placed a team in the Final Four since Pat's last title. That tells me the Lady Vols have had a lot of talent, it doesn't tell me they've been well coached.

She wouldn't have an excellent winning record, two SEC championships, or any solid NCAA tournament runs in her first two years if she weren't coaching up the talent. Sometimes the record speaks for itself. Talent alone doesn't win games, just as coaching alone doesn't lose them.

 

[Slydell]

My alma mater has never been incredibly competitive athletically, at least not in football or men's or women's basketball. This is due in large part to the fact that the university from which I graduated does not offer athletic scholarships and the admissions standards are exceptionally high. An amazing athlete who is also a decent (but not incredibly above average) student academically will likely not be offered admission. Not saying that is good or bad, it just is what it is. That said, I have never felt bad about rooting for the Lady Vols. I've been a diehard Lady Vols fan since I was about 10 years old (about 30 years). I attend as many games as I can. If I didn't live a little over two hours away and have a crazy work schedule, I'd buy season tickets, but as it is, that really isn't practical. I will say that there are plenty of my old college and grad school friends, mostly scattered about Virginia and the northeast, who are long-time Lady Vols fans because of me. They saw my interest and I guess it was contagious. These are people who probably would have never set foot inside the state of Tennessee who are now fans of the women's basketball program, who often buy tickets to some of the more competitive games despite living a good distance away. Back in the day, we watched every game we could on TV, though in the mid to late 90s that wasn't as easy as it is today. Even though UT is not our school, we still consider ourselves incredibly avid fans of the women's basketball program. Having said all that, I still often have difficulty wrapping my head around the extremes associated with the Tennessee fanbase. It seems as if they are never, never happy, never satisfied, and never really think their actions or "demands" through.

Try not to base an opinion on what is posted here. When you go the LV games, do you hear any booing or derogatory remarks? I don't. That's the real fan base.

 

[Sandvol]

She wouldn't have an excellent winning record, two SEC championships, or any solid NCAA tournament runs in her first two years if she weren't coaching up the talent. Sometimes the record speaks for itself. Talent alone doesn't win games, just as coaching alone doesn't lose them.

It is going to keep getting tougher for you Holly apologists as the season progresses. It will be funny to watch.

 

[Sandvol]

Try not to base an opinion on what is posted here. When you go the LV games, do you hear any booing or derogatory remarks? I don't. That's the real fan base.

When I go to the games I don't boo. But this is a message board. Not a Holly Warlick fan club.

 

[Slydell]

When I go to the games I don't boo. But this is a message board. Not a Holly Warlick fan club.

Did I say otherwise. You seem to get twisted up in the worst fashion.

 

[ivyleague]

Try not to base an opinion on what is posted here. When you go the LV games, do you hear any booing or derogatory remarks? I don't. That's the real fan base.

I consider myself part of the fan base, and I realize most of the fan base is wonderful. I did sit next to someone at the South Carolina game last season who was a little out there, but I think he was an exception. I know his behavior isn't typical. Message boards are an easy way for those who are disgruntled or just generally miserable to vent anonymously. I realize that. However, I see how those who deem themselves fans treated Coach Martin last year. I've witnessed the overboard reactions when it comes to the football program. It almost seems as if many of them believe they have a right to demand a new coach every time a loss happens. No fanbase likes it when their team loses, but losses happen. Sometimes losses that should never happen, happen. This is a game and no win is ever guaranteed. If Holly's record were abysmal, or even approaching abysmal, I could see the fans being discontented. It's not like that; it's not even close. I simply don't understand all the coach hate. It's almost fascinating to behold, albeit in a very inglorious way.

 

[Sandvol]

Did I say otherwise. You seem to get twisted up in the worst fashion.

Seems you're the one all twisted.

 

[Slydell]

Seems you're the one all twisted.

You might want to take a time out tonight to readjust you posting techniques. Name calling and marginalizing other posters is usually not a good direction to go.

 

[Sandvol]

You might want to take a time out tonight to readjust you posting techniques. Name calling and marginalizing other posters is usually not a good direction to go.

No I think I'm fine. You're the second poster tonight who seems to think they're an expert in psychology. There is nothing wrong with my thinking and I'm sure it will be born out as the season progresses.

 

[ivyleague]

No I think I'm fine. You're the second poster tonight who seems to think they're an expert in psychology. There is nothing wrong with my thinking and I'm sure it will be born out as the season progresses.

So again, why don't you go find a team that you can actually support? You are writing this team off (for no good reason). You have already written the coach off (again for no good reason). You need to find a team and coaching staff that you can support and be done with it. This constant b****ing about Holly Warlick and the team in general is getting old.

 

[Sandvol]

That's the thing, they don't have a side. All they have is name-calling. I've seen numerous well thought examples of questionable lineups and poor play calling. I haven't seen any evidence from her apologists of where Holly is actually coaching up the talent. All they point to is her overall record, her NCAA tournament runs (where she underperformed her seeding both years), and winning the SEC.... an overrated conference that hasn't placed a team in the Final Four since Pat's last title. That tells me the Lady Vols have had a lot of talent, it doesn't tell me they've been well coached.

Me neither.

 

[Sandvol]

So again, why don't you go find a team that you can actually support? You are writing this team off (for no good reason). You have already written the coach off (again for no good reason). You need to find a team and coaching staff that you can support and be done with it. This constant b****ing about Holly Warlick and the team in general is getting old.

I have one. The Lady Vols. I just don't support their coach anymore. She'll have to show me she is worthy of my support before I give it to her.

P.S.-I don't ***** about the team except how poorly they are coached. Burdick can't help she wasn't developed or coached properly.

 

[ivyleague]

I have one. The Lady Vols. I just don't support their coach anymore. She'll have to show me she is worthy of my support before I give it to her.

The coach is part of the team. If you don't support the coach, you don't support the team. And both the team and Holly deserve better fans than you.