George Floyd was actually an evil man.

#578
#578
Septic said:
Again, this is extraneous to the conversation being posited. That we're talking about the facts of the case (e.g. knee to neck and autopsy reports) has nothing at all to do about WHY we're talking about it, the two are mutually exclusive.

You keep trying to shoehorn one into the other and it isn't working.
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And I say you are Naïve in your comments.
 
#579
#579
BayVol7 said:
Where are your facts? Above is opinion that says more about you than you realize.
“"I said, 'officer, he's not resisting arrest, you have your knee on him and you have handcuffs on him, he's detained at this moment,'" Williams said.
Rashad West -- who owns the Dragon Wok restaurant released the video along with another man, Jared Brewington -- who also disputed claims that Floyd resisted arrest.
"Did not see any resistance, not at all," West told CNN's Don Lemon on Wednesday night of the surveillance video.
Brewington, whose business preceded West's at the same location, agreed that he did not see Floyd resisting arrest.”
Surveillance video does not support police claims that George Floyd resisted arrest - CNN
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Their perception of what was going on, as witnesses, is important. Just as is the video. Just as are the accounts from the officers as to their perception of resistance. The theory of trials is that you will have a group of jurors who will collectively evaluate all of that testimony and perception and test in their own view whether the witnesses were credible, how good a memory they had, how good a point of view they had, and any other factor meaningful to them on the whole that helps them arrive at the truth.

As imperfect a process as that may be, it is the best humanity can endeavor to have.
 
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#580
#582
#582
BayVol7 said:
More facts:
“"However, the autopsy alone cannot answer all questions germane to the cause and manner of death, and must be interpreted in the context of the pertinent investigative information and informed by the results of laboratory studies," the statement said.“
Medical examiner issues statement on death of George Floyd
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No, the facts are in the autopsy, opinions are what you are hanging your hat on.
 
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#584
lawgator1 said:
Their perception of what was going on, as witnesses, is important. Just as is the video. Just as are the accounts from the officers as to their perception of resistance. The theory of trials is that you will have a group of jurors who will collectively evaluate all of that testimony and perception and test in their own view whether the witnesses were credible, how good a memory they had, how good a point of view they had, and any other factor meaningful to them on the whole that helps them arrive at the truth.

As imperfect a process as that may be, it is the best humanity can endeavor to have.
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Agreed, just like voir dire.
The overwhelming evidence is the tape. How can a jury have a positive reaction to the 8 minutes and 46 seconds?
 
#586
#586
utvolpj said:
I said you called any contradicting ideas racist. Strange since you seem to be the most concerned with race in this current discussion
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Only with the one person that has tried to use racist/biased opinions as facts.
 
#588
#588
volbeast33 said:
homicide in Autopsy reports does not mean murder..... the jury will decide if a homicide was committed.... homicide in autopsy terms means that someone else contributed to the death.... it does not mean they are guilty of murder, manslaughter, or even negligence.... imo, this case is so publicized that the police officer will be convicted of manslaughter no matter what happens at trial but in an ideal world if the autopsies show that the cops use of force was above and beyond/ outside of protocol then he would be guilty of manslaughter... if the autopsy shows that the force was not a direct cause of asphyxiation and wishing protocol than the office should be not guilty.
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Agreed @ bold. “Homicide” means drugs did not directly cause the man’s death.
 
#590
#590
C-south said:
Lol. Did you even read the article?
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Just this part:
“George Floyd’s death was a homicide, the county medical examiner has ruled, saying in a report released Monday that the 46-year-old died as a result of cardiopulmonary arrest caused by “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.””
 
#592
#592
BayVol7 said:
Just this part:
“George Floyd’s death was a homicide, the county medical examiner has ruled, saying in a report released Monday that the 46-year-old died as a result of cardiopulmonary arrest caused by “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.””
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Once again, cherry picking the so-called facts to meet your racist opinion.
 
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#593
Y9 Vol said:
And this is based on what? The autopsy the family paid for? After the original report said that there was no sign of physical harm? This is bought and paid for by the family.
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“George Floyd’s death was a homicide, the county medical examiner has ruled...”
What’s your next sad argument?
 
#594
#594
BayVol7 said:
Just this part:
“George Floyd’s death was a homicide, the county medical examiner has ruled, saying in a report released Monday that the 46-year-old died as a result of cardiopulmonary arrest caused by “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.””
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The finding from the medical examiner in Hennepin County, Minnesota, comes after Floyd’s family released results earlier Monday from a private autopsy they commissioned that concluded he had died of “asphyxiation from sustained pressure.”

A preliminary report from the medical examiner last week said there were “no physical findings” to reach that conclusion.

The official cause of death, according to the medical examiner, was cardiopulmonary arrest, not asphyxiation, and the report points to contributing factors that were not mentioned by the family autopsy, stating that Floyd had heart disease, was high on fentanyl, a powerful opioid, and had recently taken methamphetamine.

“Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s),” the medical examiner said in a report.
 
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BayVol7 said:
“George Floyd’s death was a homicide, the county medical examiner has ruled...”
What’s your next sad argument?
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Once again you prove my point. Read the entire article and see for yourself why it was changed.
 
#597
#597
C-south said:
The finding from the medical examiner in Hennepin County, Minnesota, comes after Floyd’s family released results earlier Monday from a private autopsy they commissioned that concluded he had died of “asphyxiation from sustained pressure.”

A preliminary report from the medical examiner last week said there were “no physical findings” to reach that conclusion.

The official cause of death, according to the medical examiner, was cardiopulmonary arrest, not asphyxiation, and the report points to contributing factors that were not mentioned by the family autopsy, stating that Floyd had heart disease, was high on fentanyl, a powerful opioid, and had recently taken methamphetamine.

“Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s),” the medical examiner said in a report.
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These are not the facts that he is willing to let sink in to his racist brain.
 
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#598
utvolpj said:
Yet when challenged you couldn't point out one thing that was racist in the post. Interesting how that worked out
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You’re trying to hard PJ. Go back and read my response to the first time you called me out on it. I specifically gave my reason for his racism.
 
#599
#599
C-south said:
The finding from the medical examiner in Hennepin County, Minnesota, comes after Floyd’s family released results earlier Monday from a private autopsy they commissioned that concluded he had died of “asphyxiation from sustained pressure.”

A preliminary report from the medical examiner last week said there were “no physical findings” to reach that conclusion.

The official cause of death, according to the medical examiner, was cardiopulmonary arrest, not asphyxiation, and the report points to contributing factors that were not mentioned by the family autopsy, stating that Floyd had heart disease, was high on fentanyl, a powerful opioid, and had recently taken methamphetamine.

“Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s),” the medical examiner said in a report.
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“A Hennepin County autopsy ruled Floyd's death a homicide, caused by “a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer.” ... A private autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family also ruled the death a homicide, but found asphyxia was the cause of death.”
As Derek Chauvin stands trial in the killing of George Floyd, the world watches Minnesota | Duluth News Tribune

Next?
 
#600
#600
Y9 Vol said:
You’re trying to hard PJ. Go back and read my response to the first time you called me out on it. I specifically gave my reason for his racism.
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No, you posted nonsense. Resisting arrest is not a race-based act. In fact you're the only one who mentioned the race of anyone involved

Y9 Vol said:
For him to even remotely consider that Floyd was not resisting arrest is totally biased and racist against the white cops.
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