Give the devil his due (Kiffin)

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Rasputin_Vol said:
What other choice did he have?
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The guy was injured and was a smoking 1 for 4 (with only a made 20ish yarder). You don't think we could have given ourselves a better chance using just about anyone else that can kick a football? We had two attempts from around 43 yards blocked by the same player on line drive kicks. Also, Lincoln wasn't that awful up to his injury he was like 8 of 10 but we marched out a kicker with a bum quad.
 
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SmartVolFan said:
So, now Lane was the defensive coordinator too...??? :)

Why didn't 22 players show dramatic improvements under the great Lane Kiffin? Why was it only a handful?
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So he wasn't responsible for the Defense? Hmm.. Who would have thought that.. For some reason I thought he was the head coach.. I understand now he wasn't the head coach he was only the offensive coach..Wow that clears up a lot now.. He wasn't even responsible for special teams either..
 
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SGMVols said:
You can win being a douche.
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For awhile then it catches up to you and you have to move on or fade. USC really isn't a good fit for CLK if he really and truly thinks of it as his destination. After a few years, the competition will start using his lies to recruits against him with players and parents.
You can't win if you don't recruit and coach at a high level.
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True. Hopefully DD is doing that and will coach at a high level. He seems to have character and the courage of conviction to change the thug culture in UT's football program.
 
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PowerT83 said:
People complain about Cutcliffe & his offense but Ainge threw for over 6,500 yrds in 2 seasons. We won't see numbers like that for a while prolly.
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Stat padding... when those two actually faced real defenses, they couldn't put together drives when our lives depended on it. Ainge racked up a bunch of stats in those 5 overtimes against the likes of Vandy, USCe and KyJelly.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They increased their win total from 2008 to 2009 by 40%...
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Only signifies what everyone already knew --- it was time for Fulmer to go... Eighty percent of today's D1 college coaches would have improved UT from the dismal 2008 season; not "just" Kiffin.
 
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cutnitclose said:
So he wasn't responsible for the Defense? Hmm.. Who would have thought that.. For some reason I thought he was the head coach.. I understand now he wasn't the head coach he was only the offensive coach..Wow that clears up a lot now.. He wasn't even responsible for special teams either..
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No dude, if you're going to give him credit for improving a handful of players, then give him credit for "not" improving the remaining players.
 
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cutnitclose said:
So he wasn't responsible for the Defense? Hmm.. Who would have thought that.. For some reason I thought he was the head coach.. I understand now he wasn't the head coach he was only the offensive coach..Wow that clears up a lot now.. He wasn't even responsible for special teams either..
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We were in Alabama... was this other person or kicker even available on the trip? Or are you suggesting that Cunningham should have taken that kick? Yeah, you and people like you would have then second guessed his decision if he would have trotted out Cunningham to try the game winning kick against Bama... I know you would have had something to say about it.
 
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i dont care if adam vinatieri is your kicker if you sit on the ball with 30 something seconds left to kick a 44 yd field goal you are a terrible coach. End of story
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Some HC's have the talent to coordinate or heavily influence one unit. Some can effectively be both HC and OC. The primary job though is "CEO". He has to effectively coordinate and manage his coaches. Kiffin has proven he can to my satisfaction. Retention of coache is another thing that could hurt him eventually. I believe it is connected to his character issues also.

I don't know if DD can be a great "CEO" yet or not. We'll begin to see soon enough.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We were in Alabama... was this other person or kicker even available on the trip? Or are you suggesting that Cunningham should have taken that kick? Yeah, you and people like you would have then second guessed his decision if he would have trotted out Cunningham to try the game winning kick against Bama... I know you would have had something to say about it.
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I would have something to say about using a different person to kick field goals when our starting kicker has a hurt leg? I'm sorry, color me unimpressed by 7-6, a blow out in our bowl game, and some odd choices throughout the season.
 
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
i dont care if adam vinatieri is your kicker if you sit on the ball with 30 something seconds left to kick a 44 yd field goal you are a terrible coach. End of story
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Not if you are facing the best defense in college football..

PS- curse you for making me defend Kiffin.
 
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He didn't improve special teams, but a good kicker would have cured a lot of that. Good thing we got that addressed. Now maybe it can be called special teams instead of special needs teams.
 
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SmartVolFan said:
No dude, if you're going to give him credit for improving a handful of players, then give him credit for "not" improving the remaining players.
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I haven't given him credit for improving anyone... Personally I think Chaney was the reason Crompton improved so much.. He did the same thing for Breeze....I'm not sure who else you are refering to that improved that much under him.. We won 7 games, not 10 or 11...
 
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
the play calling was absolutely horrendous. Fulmer was better than 7-6 87 percent of the time. Congratulations lane
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I didn't think the play calling last year was bad at all. It was far better than any Fulmer-led team when he didn't have Cutcliffe to crutch off of.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Stat padding... when those two actually faced real defenses, they couldn't put together drives when our lives depended on it. Ainge racked up a bunch of stats in those 5 overtimes against the likes of Vandy, USCe and KyJelly.
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To the blind eye, but all three of those mentioned teams were top 25 pass defenses in 2007, and Ainge went off for 365 yrds against Wisconsin who was 17th in total defense.

We weren't really clutch last year either.
 
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Last year's O avg'd about 3 ppg less and about 18 ypg less than the 07 O. They were weaker and thinner in every single position group except possibly the starting RB.
 
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Well.....if the Lane Kiffen Waste Water Treatment Plant is not sufficient recognition, I am at a loss to explain what more can be done.

I suppose some would like to see Serta to name their new fireproof mattresses after him as well!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We were in Alabama... was this other person or kicker even available on the trip? Or are you suggesting that Cunningham should have taken that kick? Yeah, you and people like you would have then second guessed his decision if he would have trotted out Cunningham to try the game winning kick against Bama... I know you would have had something to say about it.
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So you think that it was all on DL because we lost against Bama? WHy would you not have ran a little hurry up offense and tried to get closer or possibly tried to score as you knew Lincoln was hurt? We weren't exactly organized at the end of games.. Look at the Florida...We all complained (including me) about Fulmer and Chavis playing not to lose.. What makes it any differrent when LK did it? He coached several games to help recruiting for the next year...That wasn't fair to the current players...
 
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
fulmer never did call the plays as a head coach.
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I didn't think so either, but I wasn't sure enough to say it.. I think he only called some of the one year and that was the year after Cut left and Sanders took over.. I don't think he called a lot of them that year either unless he disagreed with the the play Sanders had called...
 
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