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[butchna]

I think the army of Dorne and Yara are both going to play a part, no real reason to name drop them otherwise imo.

Agreed.

 

[Weezer]

The tragedy of Dany is that she seems to be becoming a victim of her genetics. I don't think many people see the tragedy in mental illness, but it's there. Seemingly good people who go off the rails because their mind basically breaks. They lose reality.

 

[twoffo]

Yara sails to Dorne and picks up their scoffed at military and brings it when needed?

If they bring another army in I would bet it will be Daario and the Second Sons. Perhaps encouraged by the Other Red Priestess he may already be on his way.

I would think that any key roles to be played in the last two episodes would be by people/things we have seen before.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Over the first seven seasons she wasn't insane. That doesn't mean she can't have a breakdown. She's lost two of her dragon children, Khal Drogo, her own unborn child, Jorah, and Missandei. What kept her going was her destiny. Now she's obsessed with the Iron Throne and she finds out the man she loves has a greater claim to it. No one starts out crazy. Losing your mind is a gradual process.

I agree she is raging at this point, that doesn't mean she is insane. And she is right to be paranoid, you could say she is more perceptive than paranoid, people she has trusted are discussing treason behind her back. I can understand how she could be losin her isht at this point, that doesn't make her insane though. Like I said, I hate they are making he a villain. She is not Certs...she is not a monster.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I love it just because not everyone fulfills what they think is their destiny, not everyone stays a good person when they accrue power, not everyone that thinks they are doing the right thing is. I think it's a great turn for her.

I don't.

 

[BigOrange15]

I don't.

That's cool, we can still be friends.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

The tragedy of Dany is that she seems to be becoming a victim of her genetics. I don't think many people see the tragedy in mental illness, but it's there. Seemingly good people who go off the rails because their mind basically breaks. They lose reality.

She has the Blood of the Dragon, that is why the Dragons hatched for her, that is why she is The Unburned..She is not, and never was a weak minded fool. Her father always was, and so was her pathetic brother. Cercei really did just "Wake the Dragon"..


That is why I hate this, it is totally out of character...nothing has ever broken Dany..nothing...and now she is supposed to break like a fragile egg? She is pissed and she has a right to be.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That's cool, we can still be friends.

I just hate this direction.

 

[BigOrange15]

I just hate this direction.

Edit: saw your answer above.

It is not out of character to have your losses compound so much and to become so focused on your objective that you lose sight of the good you are trying to do for other things be they ultimate victory, revenge, vanquishing your enemy, etc. The way her story has gone up to this point, her unwillingness to relent in anyway and to take the throne essentially at all costs is a perfectly legitimate arc for her character.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Was Aegon the Conqueror insane when he melted Harrehall and all its inhabitants into a puddle of melted goo?

 

[Smokeytom]

I agree she is raging at this point, that doesn't mean she is insane. And she is right to be paranoid, you could say she is more perceptive than paranoid, people she has trusted are discussing treason behind her back. I can understand how she could be losin her isht at this point, that doesn't make her insane though. Like I said, I hate they are making he a villain. She is not Certs...she is not a monster.

She’s been willing to burn King’s Landing to the ground from the moment they crossed the sea. Tyrion and Varys are the only reason she hasn’t. Did Cersei not also set King’s Landing ablaze? Dany’s power and perceived “destiny” are driving her mad. She is willing to do monstrous things in order to sit on the throne. No doubt about it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Why?

Does it matter? You seem to be loving it...good for you. I loved her character from her first chapter. She is amazing, a tough little forgotten speck of nothing who fought her way into becoming the most powerful human of that world. And now they want to destroy her and her legacy. I hate that. I love her and Jon, and if they were to go out, I wanted them going out being the good people they are, actually saving people, not villains.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

She’s been willing to burn King’s Landing to the ground from the moment they crossed the sea. Tyrion and Varys are the only reason she hasn’t. Did Cersei not also set King’s Landing ablaze? Dany’s power and perceived “destiny” are driving her mad. She is willing to do monstrous things in order to sit on the throne. No doubt about it.

Yep...and we burned Hiroshima and Nagasaki to the ground to end a bloody, costly and neverending war.

 

[BigOrange15]

Does it matter? You seem to be loving it...good for you. I loved her character from her first chapter. She is amazing, a tough little forgotten speck of nothing who fought her way into becoming the most powerful human of that world. And now they want to destroy her and her legacy. I hate that. I love her and Jon, and if they were to go out, I wanted them going out being the good people they are, actually saving people, not villains.

Because I like to hear other opinions besides my own?

Why do you hate villains and villainous turns so much? The hero almost getting there and coming up just short/morphing into something they swore they would never become is a fairly popular thing in media. Why does everyone that starts out good have to stay good?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because I like to hear other opinions besides my own?

Why do you hate villains and villainous turns so much? The hero almost getting there and coming up just short/morphing into something they swore they would never become is a fairly popular thing in media. Why does everyone that starts out good have to stay good?

Why does it have to go your way? I bet you would hate for them to obliterate Certs and put Westeros together again wouldn't you?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because I like to hear other opinions besides my own?

Why do you hate villains and villainous turns so much? The hero almost getting there and coming up just short/morphing into something they swore they would never become is a fairly popular thing in media. Why does everyone that starts out good have to stay good?

Oh...and because they are VILLAINS...I always pulled for the good guys in white hats in those old Westerns, and the redeemed anti-heroes in the newer ones. I wanted Luke Skywalker to stay on the side of Light, and Darth Vader to come back..

 

[BigOrange15]

Why does it have to go your way? I bet you would hate for them to obliterate Certs and put Westeros together again wouldn't you?

Jesus Christ, get your panties out of a wad, McGill. Why would I hate that? I would love to see Westeros united under a benevolent ruler, clearly something Cersei is not.

Sure you pull for the good guys, I'm not pulling for Cersei. Frankly, I don't know many (any) people that are. You don't have to be pulling for a villain to understand their point of view or to appreciate the direction their character took to become a villian or pseudo-villain. Cersei has been set up for years now as one of the main villains, cool. The Night King has been destroyed and was a major villain for almost the whole show, cool. Dany taking a heel turn because she is becoming obsessed with taking the Iron Throne at any cost is a common narrative device and perfectly reasonable given her journey.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Anyways...it doesn't matter what I like or hate, that is where they are heading now...enjoy.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Jesus Christ, get your panties out of a wad, McGill. Why would I hate that? I would love to see Westeros united under a benevolent ruler, clearly something Cersei is not.

I'm not attacking you, you are just getting caught up in my supreme aggravation at the direction this is taking, which is my own fault really, I knew they were going to do something like this, but I held on to a little hope that they wouldn't.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Jesus Christ, get your panties out of a wad, McGill. Why would I hate that? I would love to see Westeros united under a benevolent ruler, clearly something Cersei is not.

Sure you pull for the good guys, I'm not pulling for Cersei. Frankly, I don't know many (any) people that are. You don't have to be pulling for a villain to understand their point of view or to appreciate the direction their character took to become a villian or pseudo-villain. Cersei has been set up for years now as one of the main villains, cool. The has been destroyed and was a major villain for almost the whole show, cool. Dany taking a heel turn because she is becoming obsessed with taking the Iron Throne at any cost is a common narrative device and perfectly reasonable given her journey.

Cool...I'm glad it pleases somebody. I hate it.

 

[BigOrange15]

I'm not attacking you, you are just getting caught up in my supreme aggravation at the direction this is taking, which is my own fault really, I knew they were going to do something like this, but I held on to a little hope that they wouldn't.

It's cool to not dig something, I get that. I'm 100% sure you aren't alone in that feeling. I just think that given her journey, this is not exactly some out of left field plot device or narrative turn.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It's cool to not dig something, I get that. I'm 100% sure you aren't alone in that feeling. I just think that given her journey, this is not exactly some out of left field plot device or narrative turn.

She just saved the world at huge cost, but now she is a villain to destroy? Come on man..she could have burned KL to the ground when she got there and saved time.

 

[BigOrange15]

Stalin saved Europe at huge cost to the Red Army and Russia's people and then turned around and turned the USSR into a brutal dictatorship. Sometimes to get what you want, you have to play nice with others.

That is not to say that she is a pure villain yet. She is clearly still struggling with the benevolent ruler/take the throne at any cost dynamic. She wants to rule Westeros and be a benevolent leader to all but the process of getting there is starting to consume her and her losses keep compounding, driving her more and more into "at any cost" mode.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Stalin saved Europe at huge cost to the Red Army and Russia's people and then turned around and turned the USSR into a brutal dictatorship. People play the hero to advance their agenda.

That is not to say that she is a pure villain yet. She is clearly still struggling with the benevolent ruler/take the throne at any cost dynamic. She wants to rule Westeros and be a benevolent leader to all but the process of getting there is starting to consume her and her losses keep compounding, driving her more and more into "at any cost" mode.

Like I said...she should have just melted the Red Keep like Aegon did Harrenhal and went about her business. She is not Josef Stalin. He never had a compassionate bone in his body. She has exhibited that trait throughout.

 

[BigOrange15]

Like I said...she should have just melted the Red Keep like Aegon did Harrenhal and went about her business. She is Josef Stalin. He never had a compassionate bone in his body. She has exhibited that trait throughout.

Do you know any good people in your life that you know for a fact are kind, decent people that end up doing something awful even if they feel like it's for a good reason? Dany appears to be being dragged off of the heroes path she was on because she feels her claim to the IT slipping away. Now, maybe that is just her tragedy because of all her losses and stumbling blocks along the way but it appears she has grown desperate to take the IT and thoughts of benevolence have faded in favor of "I have to take the IT.