HBO's "Game of Thrones"

[Grand Vol]

Jon "breaking the wheel" may be the death of him and Dany. King's Landing in ashes and the Seven Kingdoms go back to self-rule.
Just a random thought, but this seems more in line with the tone of the story. Yes the wheel would be broken, but at what cost? Was it worth it in the long run? Would it even be broken? Martin is big on cyclical narratives and people repeating the mistakes of their forbearers. They might break the wheel temporarily only to have the whole thing start up again in the future with seven warring factions fighting over a pile of bricks.

Jon wasn't the one that said the wheel would be broken. Dany did. Additionally, when Tyrion listed out the houses, he stated the Targaryn House was dead along with the Stark House.

Both of which live on in Jon.

 

[jakez4ut]

theyll try to act like it was poetic but it was flat out stupid and a missed opportunity. My thoughts on how it should have gone down..

Cleagane bowl is fine, Dany flipping is fine but I would have liked to see

Dany kills Euron during the battle with her dragon but before she goes into the keep.

If we are going away from book prophecy, Arya not suddenly quit her quest to kill Cersei at her doorstep but rather meet her after she bolts the Cleagane bowl. Cersei pleads for Arya to spare her but when its obvious that arya is unfazed, Cersei starts to get nasty and Arya stabs her in the throat with needle.

Dany is then killed by Jamie in the throne room, who is wandering the keep and finds Cersei dead to complete the Mad Queen arc, Jon then stabs Jamie and Jamie has a few redeeming words about Mad King/Queen garbage before Jon just leaves him to die.

something like that. idk.

yeah, i can see that ,and as a fan, that would have "felt" good. and others would call that pandering. there's really no winning, and definitley no way to please everyone.

one thing i can't stop thinking about is back when Dany was in whatever city it was and she was in that tower....she walked thru one of the doors and was in the throne room....dark, snowing, and everytihng basically destroyed.

at the time you thought "winter is coming", right?

i'm wondering if the snow wasn't a metaphor for Jon....and he's what she's ultimately going to have to deal with.....

for me i think if you can get some kind of satisfying ending for Sansa and Aryra, i'll be good.....i think Jon has to die. dany too.

and with KL destroyed, no real king/queen....like many have said, we go back to 7 kingdoms and the game starts over with new players to be named later....likley sansa ruler int he north, and definitely probably the most powerful kingdom at this point, at least in Westeros.

 

[Rishvol]

theyll try to act like it was poetic but it was flat out stupid and a missed opportunity. My thoughts on how it should have gone down..

Cleagane bowl is fine, Dany flipping is fine but I would have liked to see

Dany kills Euron during the battle with her dragon but before she goes into the keep.

If we are going away from book prophecy, Arya not suddenly quit her quest to kill Cersei at her doorstep but rather meet her after she bolts the Cleagane bowl. Cersei pleads for Arya to spare her but when its obvious that arya is unfazed, Cersei starts to get nasty and Arya stabs her in the throat with needle.

Dany is then killed by Jamie in the throne room, who is wandering the keep and finds Cersei dead to complete the Mad Queen arc, Jon then stabs Jamie and Jamie has a few redeeming words about Mad King/Queen garbage before Jon just leaves him to die.

something like that. idk.

I was hoping Jamie died on the way to meet Cersei and Arya took his face. When Cersei show relief that Jamie is there she gets stabbed. Arya takes the mask of and says something witty while Cersei dies a slow death waiting for the walls to collapse around her

 

[jakez4ut]

Jon "breaking the wheel" may be the death of him and Dany. King's Landing in ashes and the Seven Kingdoms go back to self-rule.
Just a random thought, but this seems more in line with the tone of the story. Yes the wheel would be broken, but at what cost? Was it worth it in the long run? Would it even be broken? Martin is big on cyclical narratives and people repeating the mistakes of their forbearers. They might break the wheel temporarily only to have the whole thing start up again in the future with seven warring factions fighting over a pile of bricks.

yeah, the game starts over, with new players to be named later. no one learns, everyone thinks they'll do it better than the guy/gal before them...lol.

 

[jakez4ut]

I was hoping Jamie died on the way to meet Cersei and Arya took his face. When Cersei show relief that Jamie is there she gets stabbed. Arya takes the mask of and says something witty while Cersei dies a slow death waiting for the walls to collapse around her

that would have been................awesome.

the reason i know this is because it was awesome when she did it to Walter Frey.

 

[zeppelin128]

Jon wasn't the one that said the wheel would be broken. Dany did. Additionally, when Tyrion listed out the houses, he stated the Targaryn House was dead along with the Stark House.

Both of which live on in Jon.

Bad wording on my part in the first bit. Dany mentions breaking the wheel several times. I think she got the process started, and Jon will end it by taking her out and die doing so. Just a random idea I think would fit the story and the "bittersweet" ending Martin said he wanted to ASOIaF. I doubt it plays out that way.

 

[jakez4ut]

The question is whether Jon has had his "fire and blood" diluted enough to overcome such urges.

well, if we're going on all the nuggets that have been left for 7 seasons, i would say yes. he's definitley not shown any signs of ever giving in to such urges...except with Egret. and Dany. and he knows what has to be done about her now, regardless of his own intentions on the throne.

he's either gonna be the ultimate hero for the show, or the ultimate sacrafice. he's already sacraficed himself several times....would expect that trend to continue imo.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Its baffling how in your world, quality is only related to the amount in which the good guys win and the power of friendship prevails. I can't wrap my head around it.

Just like I can't wrap my mind around enjoying the way this is going. It is just as alien to me. There is nothing to applaud, how do you enjoy this? Let me tell you what is going to happen now, Dany is going to kill Tyrion and Jon, probably take a side trip to Winterfell to burn Sansa and what little is left of the North to ashes,and then Arya is going to use Jons face to get close enough to freak Dany out long enough to kill her, but will lose her life in the process...now how great would that be?...That is how this freak horror show probably ends, or something very close to that...the options are getting real limited. Who can stop her from burning the world to ashes? She is insane..right? I mean you accept that as plausible, so why should she stop now? Just "Burn them all"..right?

I get the elemental force of nature angle Martin is probably trying to work here..The NK was the embodiment of entropy, Dany is evidently the embodiment of creative destruction. I did not want to read or see a story about the hopeless futility of life and love.

GRRM promised decades ago that this story had a "Bittersweet" ending. That was a deliberate lie, there is no sweet to thos end, just bitter, ugly and hateful. I was prepared for "bittersweet"..not this. They just made Dany the most evil character Westeros has ever seen...she is worse than Cercie, Joffrey, Ramsey or Stannis ever were..they were little penny ante psychopaths compared to her. Her self righteous hypocrite ultimatum to Yara Greyjoy makes me want to puke.


She burned thousands of babies alive...for absolute ZERO reason other than she enjoyed it..


Now all you guys are OK with that leap...I am not.

 

[jakez4ut]

Unattainable but I'd reckon more book readers are pissed than folks who just watched the show.

definitley.

 

[butchna]

Just like I can't wrap my mind around enjoying the way this is going. It is just as alien to me. There is nothing to applaud, how do you enjoy this? Let me tell you what is going to happen now, Dany is going to kill Tyrion and Jon, probably take a side trip to Winterfell to burn Sansa and what little is left of the North to ashes,and then Arya is going to use Jons face to get close enough to freak Dany out long enough to kill her, but will lose her life in the process...now how great would that be?...That is how this freak horror show probably ends, or something very close to that...the options are getting real limited. Who can stop her from burning the world to ashes? She is insane..right? I mean you accept that as plausible, so why should she stop now? Just "Burn them all"..right?

I get the elemental force of nature angle Martin is probably trying to work here..The NK was the embodiment of entropy, Dany is evidently the embodiment of creative destruction. I did not want to read or see a story about the hopeless futility of life and love.

GRRM promised decades ago that this story had a "Bittersweet" ending. That was a deliberate lie, there is no sweet to thos end, just bitter, ugly and hateful. I was prepared for "bittersweet"..not this. They just made Dany the most evil character Westeros has ever seen...she is worse than Cercie, Joffrey, Ramsey or Stannis ever were..they were little penny ante psychopaths compared to her. Her self righteous hypocrite ultimatum to Yara Greyjoy makes me want to puke.


She burned thousands of babies alive...for absolute ZERO reason other than she enjoyed it..


Now all you guys are OK with that leap...I am not.

Thought you were “done”? And before you run over somebody that resembles Dany, NEXT WEEK is when the “ending” happens.

 

[Grand Vol]

well, if we're going on all the nuggets that have been left for 7 seasons, i would say yes. he's definitley not shown any signs of ever giving in to such urges...except with Egret. and Dany. and he knows what has to be done about her now, regardless of his own intentions on the throne.

he's either gonna be the ultimate hero for the show, or the ultimate sacrafice. he's already sacraficed himself several times....would expect that trend to continue imo.

The ultimate sacrifice in this case could be what his Uncle/adopted father was incapable of doing...

Betraying his regent and seizing the throne for himself.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Likely. But GRRM has said they are following his outline pretty well. So , I'm pissed at him, too. I think also many people just want something of a happy ending and are disappointed it's apparently not going to be one.

I just wanted what was promised.. bittersweet. The story of Turin Turambar is one of my favorites, I can take sad and tragic as part of larger tale of hope...Tolkien knew how to weave those together beautifully.

Martin fooled me..there is nothing beautiful in his tale.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If people read/watched GoT and expected a happy ending, I kind of feel like that might be on them a little bit lol

I absolutely did not expect a happy ending, neither did expect the absolute horror of what they just did.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Things do have a way of coming full circle in the series. Jon has become Ned. Now the burning question will be whether he takes the throne for himself as Cersei described to Ned in Season 1.

No way...that would be too happy of an ending..Jon is dead meat.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

theyll try to act like it was poetic but it was flat out stupid and a missed opportunity. My thoughts on how it should have gone down..

Cleagane bowl is fine, Dany flipping is fine but I would have liked to see

Dany kills Euron during the battle with her dragon but before she goes into the keep.

If we are going away from book prophecy, Arya not suddenly quit her quest to kill Cersei at her doorstep but rather meet her after she bolts the Cleagane bowl. Cersei pleads for Arya to spare her but when its obvious that arya is unfazed, Cersei starts to get nasty and Arya stabs her in the throat with needle.

Dany is then killed by Jamie in the throne room, who is wandering the keep and finds Cersei dead to complete the Mad Queen arc, Jon then stabs Jamie and Jamie has a few redeeming words about Mad King/Queen garbage before Jon just leaves him to die.

something like that. idk.

I could have lived with that.

 

[RikidyBones]

I really do think GRRM is leaving not only money but legacy on the table if the ending is extreme either way. He should have finished the books. Tbh.

 

[eVOLve]

Same. She needed a a little more torture

She was mentally tortured the whole episode.

 

[jakez4ut]

The ultimate sacrifice in this case could be what his Uncle/adopted father was incapable of doing...

Betraying his regent and seizing the throne for himself.

interesting way of looking at that........not sure how much of a throne it is now. but given the current state of affairs, i could see that. plus the dynamic of the throne is totally different than it was when Ned was there. this thing literally needs rebuilt from the ground up....so you don't have the back room politics to deal with....

and i still go back to the snow in the destroyed throne room. feel like that's a big metaphor. it's certainly set up for Jon to wind up King...which is why i can't get my head around it actually ending that way....

 

[Grand Vol]

I absolutely did not expect a happy ending, neither did expect the absolute horror of what they just did.

More horrifying than stabbing a pregnant woman right in the womb?

 

[YankeeVol]

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I really do think GRRM is leaving not only money but legacy on the table if the ending is extreme either way. He should have finished the books. Tbh.

Have you not read all the posts here?It seems like everybody besides me is fine with this.

 

[Plano Vol]

They’re extremely dead. Sometimes what it looks like is what it is.

I've seen people that get stabbed in the heart and die in the snow come back to life on this show. Nobody is truly gone until 9:30 CDT or so next Sunday.

 

[n_huffhines]

Yeah...but now she burns a million people alive for no damn reason.

They totally explained the reason.

 

[mrorange211]

He's finished the books imo

 

[butchna]

I've seen people that get stabbed in the heart and die in the snow come back to life on this show. Nobody is truly gone until 9:30 CDT or so next Sunday.

No red priestess in the trailers...and no TIME. They dead.