HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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jakez4ut said:
interesting way of looking at that........not sure how much of a throne it is now. but given the current state of affairs, i could see that. plus the dynamic of the throne is totally different than it was when Ned was there. this thing literally needs rebuilt from the ground up....so you don't have the back room politics to deal with....

and i still go back to the snow in the destroyed throne room. feel like that's a big metaphor. it's certainly set up for Jon to wind up King...which is why i can't get my head around it actually ending that way....
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He is the blue rose in the Wall. Book readers know that because it is so tied to Ned, Lyanna and Rhaegar.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The ultimate sacrifice in this case could be what his Uncle/adopted father was incapable of doing...

Betraying his regent and seizing the throne for himself.
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Jon is going to kill her when she goes after Sansa. I'm sticking with it, unless I see otherwise. I have seldom been right though.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It is a thing in Neds recurring dreams about Lyannas death, and Rhaegar giving her the crown of blue roses at Harrenhal...


So much useless red herring garbage..smh.
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At this point I think the books will be different than the show. I know he's said they're following his outline but he's probably changed that outline 4 or 5 times since he gave it to the screenwriters. He hedged his bet that the show ending would raise his book sales. At this point I think he horribly miscalculated
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I just wanted what was promised.. bittersweet. The story of Turin Turambar is one of my favorites, I can take sad and tragic as part of larger tale of hope...Tolkien knew how to weave those together beautifully.

Martin fooled me..there is nothing beautiful in his tale.
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Martin is a good writer, but Tolkien is on a completely different level.
Few writers can weave sadness, tragedy, and hope like Tolkien.
Martin is much more brutally realistic in his portrayal of human nature. It is meant to be unsettling because we know how true it is to reality, even with Three Eyed Ravens and dragons. It is a cynical outlook on humanity, but there is a lot of truth to it.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I just went back an watched the vision scene, they left that part out of the show. In the book, when she goes to the Wall in the vision she walks up to it and plucks a blue rose out of it.
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10-4, so that reference isn't made in the show at all...

so i'm just going with the snow metaphor at this point. we'll see next week.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Martin is a good writer, but Tolkien is on a completely different level.
Few writers can weave sadness, tragedy, and hope like Tolkien.
Martin is much more brutally realistic in his portrayal of human nature. It is meant to be unsettling because we know how true it is to reality, even with Three Eyed Ravens and dragons. It is a cynical outlook on humanity, but there is a lot of truth to it.
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There is also truth in hope and love.
 
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jakez4ut said:
10-4, so that reference isn't made in the show at all...

so i'm just going with the snow metaphor at this point. we'll see next week.
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See..that is the thing though. In the show scene she walks up to the Iron Throne and snow starts falling, the throne is covered in what appears to be snow and she reaches for it, but never actually touches it.


Whatever metaphor they were projecting there was just a garbage red herring imo.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I told y'all my turn to be pissed was coming, and you weirdos would love what happens in the end.
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C'mon, nobody is cheering the slaughter of innocents in Kings Landing. Just seems most aren't obsessed with Dany like you are. You keep saying it happened for no reason, but there is a reason... Just not the ending you wanted. The reason seems for Jon to accept the throne he "never wanted" now that he's seen what happens if he doesn't. I think we can all agree that Jon would be the "best" ruler.. It's what his character development has been building towards this whole time.
 
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Now I wonder if Martin uses the show's ending to "test" the waters for his original concept.

It's pretty rare you can see what one vision of your story ending will be like in such a large scale way, if the fans truly hate it then it wouldn't surprised me if the book ending is different.

I also really, really hate how fans (some of you here) turn so quickly to essentially mocking/name calling people who feel/felt differently than you about the show or specific endings.


To me last night's episode arc would have been improved had Dany charged the Red Keep and lit up Cersei instead of essentially burning everything in the city. It would have been a small crack in an assumed huge dam that was Dany's sanity/mercy. You could have essentially triggered the exact same events, Grey Worm seeing Dany burn the keep still initiates on the Lannister army and the battle continues. Dany could have then "broke" even and continued her burning. Or she could have simply taken down the Red Keep and nothing else.

They wanted to make the last episode the "choice" between Jon and Dany, which unfortunately has created a divide and conflict among fans. A near copy of Civil War story from the MCU. One side vs the other, and thus to me at least the same sort of predictable unoriginal Hollywood conflict we see all the time. Which the story originally seemed to be avoiding who knows if this is Martin's true ending or not, and unfortunately we'll never know.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
See..that is the thing though. In the show scene she walks up to the Iron Throne and snow starts falling, the throne is covered in what appears to be snow and she reaches for it, but never actually touches it.


Whatever metaphor they were projecting there was just a garbage red herring imo.
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sure, it could be.....
 
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