HBO's "Game of Thrones"

[jakez4ut]

The only thing that could make Cersei's death worse is if she survived that somehow.

agreed.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Still thinking it's possible Jon meets the same fate as Ned. If Dany kills him, she can't use Drogon. Jon is Targaryen, he can't burn.

Targaryens can burn, just not ones "With the Blood of the Dragon"

 

[VolsSportsFan]

sure. though for some reason i think in that scene it was cold, couldn't you see her breath? i just remember thinking it was snow.

Exhaling ash. It was a lot of ash.

 

[JCP201]

This person on Twitter gets it:


No one was angry when Walt turned out to be a monster on Breaking Bad. Yes seeds had been planted but we saw it happen in well written glorious detail

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Could the snow be ash?

Yes.

 

[drvenner]

It doesn’t matter if it’s predictable. That’s what often happens to Targs. She’s not the rightful heir. That’s whats supposed to happen to her.

All the more reason for it not to happen. Lazy writing, IMO.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

This person on Twitter gets it:


No one was angry when Walt turned out to be a monster on Breaking Bad. Yes seeds had been planted but we saw it happen in well written glorious detail

I actually think that's a pretty terrible comparison because of the reasons people are saying; Walt didn't drastically change in the span of 2 episodes, his descent was way more gradual.

 

[n_huffhines]

The only thing that could make Cersei's death worse is if she survived that somehow.

People are mad because she didn't suffer enough. This would create ample opportunity for her to suffer more....she loses the baby, then she's a tortured prisoner.

 

[JCP201]

I actually think that's a pretty terrible comparison because of the reasons people are saying; Walt didn't drastically change in the span of 2 episodes, his descent was way more gradual.

That is what they are saying-- If it had been well written and believable it would have been gradual-- like Walt.

 

[jakez4ut]

They just wanted to make sure you hate Daenerys. They showed her character less respect than the showed Cercei. They went way out of their way to humanize that evil rhymes with bunt at the end, and conversely went way out of their way to dehumanize Dany and make you hate her.

it's an interesting thought. in most movies, tv shows, we know who the good guys and bad guys are, and we accept that based on the POV the show wants you to take.

who's to say Dany was the good guy? it was just the POV we got, so we identify with that character, her story, her trials and tribulations etc....there were plenty of people that viewed her as the bad guy along the way...

mind you that doesn't mean that the lannisters were the good guys either. we know that.

aside from Jon snow and some other characters in the show, that have faired poorly, the lines between good/bad have been mostly gray....some going back and forth between the two depending on the circumstance presented.

that's not to say you should change your mind lol. just a thought.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

This person on Twitter gets it:


No one was angry when Walt turned out to be a monster on Breaking Bad. Yes seeds had been planted but we saw it happen in well written glorious detail

I love Breaking Bad.

 

[drvenner]

I was disappointed, but I don't begrudge the people who enjoyed it. I think we are all in agreement that Cersei had it too easy. Also, in mourning for Jaime's redemption arc.

Agreed. We would all be arguing about it if it were completely different. For the most part, the discussion has been civil and I am fine with people liking the outcome. I don't like it but overall it's been Hella good TV.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

That is what they are saying-- If it had been well written and believable it would have been gradual-- like Walt.

Oh gothca, I thought they were trying to say the opposite; like "Nobody complained that Walt turned crazy so shut up about Dany!"

 

[jakez4ut]

I actually think that's a pretty terrible comparison because of the reasons people are saying; Walt didn't drastically change in the span of 2 episodes, his descent was way more gradual.

so was dany's, it just wasn't nearly as obvious....a)walt, well intentioned as we started out (like Dany) was making and dealing meth lol....b)dany started out with a righteous cause....Dany's journey to me is the epiotime of "the pat to hell is paved with good intentions".....her's was way more gradual....until the end. then she jumped head first.

 

[drvenner]

Ok. That's fine...7 seasons... And while there's been plenty of hinting about Targaryen mental issues... Well let's just say they rushed it. Feel like turning Dany into a lunatic should have had more than two episodes devoted to it, no matter how many hints they dropped over the years.

A sequence of events that would lead to a turn like this used to take pretty much a full season. They did it with a scene change now...

Jmo

One broken kiss and KL gon burn for that ish.

 

[jakez4ut]

One broken kiss and KL gon burn for that ish.

Dany's had a rough month....for sure. lol.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

so was dany's, it just wasn't nearly as obvious....a)walt, well intentioned as we started out (like Dany) was making and dealing meth lol....b)dany started out with a righteous cause....Dany's journey to me is the epiotime of "the pat to hell is paved with good intentions".....her's was way more gradual....until the end. then she jumped head first.

I guess I sort of agree, but sort of don't. Walt's descent was much better done and I guess believable. I can buy a lot of that is because of the time constraints. And I can buy that Dany would eventually get to where she is, but it's just extremely jarring to have it go from 0 to 100 like they did.

 

[drvenner]

I will say this: if you wanna complain about Jaime’s end, I completely agree. It really felt kind of empty at least for me.

I liken his death to Jorah's. If he could have picked how he was going to die, that way would have been high up his list.

 

[TheDeeble]

A perfect example of the extremely rushed season 8......they used the "previously on game of thrones" review just before the episode started to combine multiple quotes from previous seasons as they screen focused on Dany. All the quotes were about the history of insanity in the Targaryeon bloodline and their danger to the world.

It's like they knew they weren't really ready for that to happen storywise, but just said to the fans "here you go. Get ready." It pretty much gave away what they had planned before the episode even started.

 

[jakez4ut]

I guess I sort of agree, but sort of don't. Walt's descent was much better done and I guess believable. I can buy a lot of that is because of the time constraints. And I can buy that Dany would eventually get to where she is, but it's just extremely jarring to have it go from 0 to 100 like they did.

don't disagree. these last two episodes have felt like a light speed jump to crazy town. but all the folks talking about her descent or the possilbity of that descent are correct. she's displayed these qualities the entire show.........she's just always had a fantastic check and balance system for them, even if she didn't know it.

those people are all gone...........so she gets to act....unchecked.....and with the things that have happened this season....she's been dealt some pretty tough blows.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

People are mad because she didn't suffer enough. This would create ample opportunity for her to suffer more....she loses the baby, then she's a tortured prisoner.

Nothing to do with amount of suffering, at least to me. It was a cope out death. The hound & mountain have a glorious battle and he essentially decides to sacrifice himself to take out the mountain.

Cersei went from this well built strong, ruthless character to crying and running. Only to follow Jaime into a no exit cave as it crumbles around them, her last moments spent being so...unlike herself.

This is the same pair that got it on, on top of their own dead child...have people forgotten how messed up the pair of them are? They spent so much of this season betraying Dany, and they had one moment to truly turn a knife into Cersei with Jaime the only character that ever loved her betraying her, instead he's using what's left of his life to try and save her.

 

[TheDeeble]

I don't have a problem with Jaime not being the one to kill her and even dying with her, if they are dead. He's been loyal to her from the start. That's said, killing Cersei that way just didn't feel satisfying. The biggest antagonist in the series, and she doesn't have to face anyone who she's wronged. Just get caved in with her brother.

IMO, the only way Jaime would have turned on her is if she killed one of their children. Had he been in the room with her and whoever wanted to kill her, whether it's Jon, Arya, Brienne, Sandor, ect I think he would have defended her to the death and tried to kill whoever was after her.

 

[drvenner]

And? 🗣🗣thats what the show is based off of! Its not a spinoff. it's not an untold story. These characters have been deeply molded in story and in first person perspective. People have been in their thoughts and it created a compelling direction that seemed like key corners were cut, important things were ignored while being setup meticulously. One example, Azor Ahai... throw that entire back story away. That's like 90% of the Northern story. Poof. Gone because Arya was "a surprise". Is that on GRRM ? Maybe. But it was a gaffe. It's like GRRM went all annoying "twitter hot take" guy because he thinks its trendy and clever. it's not.

I think he lost money from his book release by this. I don't doubt the books will be different or make more sense to this ending but GOT fad may drop when the season ends significantly.

I also think it was stupid not to focus on getting 1 or 2(if three were necessary) books out before this. If people think the ending is stupid. Dont even worry about finishing any of the books. it wont have the craze it does now.

Sadly, I will be dumb enough to read them anyway.

 

[jakez4ut]

Nothing to do with amount of suffering, at least to me. It was a cope out death. The hound & mountain have a glorious battle and he essentially decides to sacrifice himself to take out the mountain.

Cersei went from this well built strong, ruthless character to crying and running. Only to follow Jaime into a no exit cave as it crumbles around them, her last moments spent being so...unlike herself.

This is the same pair that got it on, on top of their own dead child...have people forgotten how messed up the pair of them are? They spent so much of this season betraying Dany, and they had one moment to truly turn a knife into Cersei with Jaime the only character that ever loved her betraying her, instead he's using what's left of his life to try and save her.

the only thing i'd say to that in retort is in the battle at blackwater bay, she gave up. she took her son in the throne room and was about to kill him, and herself. so, i get what you're saying, but she displayed the ability to give up before.

just, this time, daddy didn't save her....and Jamie couldn't.....

still, i agree with you overall....

 

[eVOLve]

I guess I sort of agree, but sort of don't. Walt's descent was much better done and I guess believable. I can buy a lot of that is because of the time constraints. And I can buy that Dany would eventually get to where she is, but it's just extremely jarring to have it go from 0 to 100 like they did.

It could be viewed as her having all of it bottled up and it finally reached a breaking point. It's not always a gradual slope. I dont believe her good intentions were actually good intentions. Just a ploy to get what she wanted.