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[drvenner]

Yes, it has been foreshadowed. But, I think some people are not grasping how big a leap it is to from crucifying slavers to murdering thousands upon thousands of innocents. She talked about how their mercy was not a weakness but it was a strength for future generations. She cared very deeply for the common people. Granted, that was in Essos. But, she just went mad and killed em all because she felt unloved? Still seems out of character to me.

 

[zjcvols]

Nothing to do with amount of suffering, at least to me. It was a cope out death. The hound & mountain have a glorious battle and he essentially decides to sacrifice himself to take out the mountain.

Cersei went from this well built strong, ruthless character to crying and running. Only to follow Jaime into a no exit cave as it crumbles around them, her last moments spent being so...unlike herself.

This is the same pair that got it on, on top of their own dead child...have people forgotten how messed up the pair of them are? They spent so much of this season betraying Dany, and they had one moment to truly turn a knife into Cersei with Jaime the only character that ever loved her betraying her, instead he's using what's left of his life to try and save her.

Cersei did the same thing in season 2. She was about to kill herself and Tommen before the war was even over! She’s always been a coward at heart

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Cersei lying about being pregnant and it being revealed would have been such a wonderful way to push Jaime over the edge into being his "hateful" self and lashing out on her...

Here I'll rewrite Cersei/Jaime dying

EXT. ON THE BEACH - DAY
Jaime and Cersei erupt from cave entrance covered in debris as they escape King's Landing just in time. Beached before them is a small boat waiting as Tyrion had promised for them to escape. As the pair approach the boat Euron Greyjoy steps out from behind a rock.
E: Well...thank you for rescuing my Queen, Kingslayer..

(a bit of banter back and forth and Euron mentions his prince etc. the pair fight for Cersei, Jaime ends up winning but has grave injuries)

Jaime urges Cersei to escape, to save their son. Cersei pleads with him through crying eyes to stay with her (alive) and that she won't leave him. Jaime continues to push her to leave to save their son, Cersei is frantic. She reveals that she isn't pregnant, that there was never a child. She tells again of her childhood prophecy and that she will never have another child. Jaime grows angry with her betrayal/lie and strikes her. Cersei falls onto a blade and Jaime's last moments are spent watching her die.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yes, it has been foreshadowed. But, I think some people are not grasping how big a leap it is to from crucifying slavers to murdering thousands upon thousands of innocents. She talked about how their mercy was not a weakness but it was a strength for future generations. She cared very deeply for the common people. Granted, that was in Essos. But, she just went mad and killed em all because she felt unloved? Still seems out of character to me.

they key word, future.

the current generation.....you're toast. literally.

 

[drvenner]

they key word, future.

the current generation.....you're toast. literally.

I got that. Still don't like it lol

 

[jakez4ut]

Cersei lying about being pregnant and it being revealed would have been such a wonderful way to push Jaime over the edge into being his "hateful" self and lashing out on her...

Here I'll rewrite Cersei/Jaime dying

EXT. ON THE BEACH - DAY
Jaime and Cersei erupt from cave entrance covered in debris as they escape King's Landing just in time. Beached before them is a small boat waiting as Tyrion had promised for them to escape. As the pair approach the boat Euron Greyjoy steps out from behind a rock.
E: Well...thank you for rescuing my Queen, Kingslayer..

(a bit of banter back and forth and Euron mentions his prince etc. the pair fight for Cersei, Jaime ends up winning but has grave injuries)

Jaime urges Cersei to escape, to save their son. Cersei pleads with him through crying eyes to stay with her (alive) and that she won't leave him. Jaime continues to push her to leave to save their son, Cersei is frantic. She reveals that she isn't pregnant, that there was never a child. She tells again of her childhood prophecy and that she will never have another child. Jaime grows angry with her betrayal/lie and strikes her. Cersei falls onto a blade and Jaime's last moments are spent watching her die.

that would have been....better. for sure.

i still always wanted a cerci/sansa reunion. feel like sansa deserved some retrobution.....but she forshadowed it last episode. she ain't getting none!!!

 

[zjcvols]

What’s funny is had Cersei’s dumbass hadn’t beheaded Missandei, she probably would have lived after the bells rung.

 

[TheDeeble]

What’s funny is had Cersei’s dumbass hadn’t beheaded Missandei, she probably would have lived after the bells rung.

She had complete confidence in her army, the Golden Company, and most of all Qyburn's scorpions. Even when Qyburn could see the outcome and told her to flee, she thought her army would die for her.

Dragons being vulnerable from ground attacks has been pretty well established. That Drogon was able to down the Iron Fleet, all of their scorpions, and all the scorpions on the walls of Kings Landing though.....that was kinda bs. Barely anyone even shot at him/Dany. Rushed and cheap imo.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Jaime/Cersei was horrendously done. Jesus, if GRMM had that ending planned for their stories, dude has lost his damn mind. That was complete TRASH. I am literally embarrassed with how awful that was. Everything else I thought made sense and was done well besides it obviously being rushed. Dany was always going to turn bad, its been foreshadowed so many times.

I would have to agree and I'm disappointed that he even went back into her arms at all... I thought he would be the one to kill her. If that was indeed the end for him (and I'm not convinced it was Butchna), then his story arc was very uneven this season. It began as a search for redemption in Winterfell and he was well on his way with the poignant scene where he knighted Brienne. For him to die like that is pathetic and just doesn't fit very well.

 

[zjcvols]

She had complete confidence in her army, the Golden Company, and most of all Qyburn's scorpions. Even when Qyburn could see the outcome and told her to flee, she thought her army would die for her.

Dragons being vulnerable from ground attacks has been pretty well established. That Drogon was able to down the Iron Fleet, all of their scorpions, and all the scorpions on the walls of Kings Landing though.....that was kinda bs. Barely anyone even shot at him/Dany. Rushed and cheap imo.

You have to remember the history. They actually copied what Aegon did. They had the ability to take down the dragon but they used the sun and clouds to hide him so they weren’t prepared for the attack. Plus, she changed her flying techniques. It made sense to me. They took out the fleet from behind and then came from the rear and got rid of the scorpions on the wall, which faced forwards

 

[Rishvol]

Dragons being vulnerable from ground attacks has been pretty well established. That Drogon was able to down the Iron Fleet, all of their scorpions, and all the scorpions on the walls of Kings Landing though.....that was kinda bs. Barely anyone even shot at him/Dany. Rushed and cheap imo.

Especially the episode before you sure the scorpions firing with little to no reload time. Then the very next episode show that the scorpions, in fact, take a very long time to reload.

 

[zeppelin128]

What’s funny is had Cersei’s dumbass hadn’t beheaded Missandei, she probably would have lived after the bells rung.

Very dumb of Cersei; even Missandie told her to light King's Landing up. After losing Jorah, she was all that was left to keep Dany from succumbing to her true self. There was no one left to guide her to being the breaker of chains, so she became the mother of dragons. Their deaths were the breaking point for Dany.

I understand why people think her turn was sudden and jarring, but I think it has been boiling within her for a long time. Then, she comes to Westeros, loses the two people she loves most, along with two children, a trusted advisor commits treason against her, and the dude she loves nephew-zones her.

She's always struggled with her heritage, obsession, and inner nature, now she's dealing with rage, grief, paranoia. She lost the struggle.

It reminded me of one of my favorite lines from the Sopranos, when Tony tells Christopher, "You don't have to love me, but you WILL respect me."

 

[kiddiedoc]

even with the win over the WW, she gave no time for politics to even play a part. plus, they were so effective at thwarting that threat, that those in the South never even knew how big a threat that was to begin with...it didn't happen to them, so they probably wouldn't have ever seen the value.
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I don't know if I would call that battle "so effective at thwarting." Winterfell was completely overrun, the women and children in the crypts were about to be devoured, one dragon was down, Jon was about to get the freeze-breath, and Bran+the memory of Westeros were 2 seconds from being erased by the NK ... Until Arya did her thing

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You have to remember the history. They actually copied what Aegon did. They had the ability to take down the dragon but they used the sun and clouds to hide him so they weren’t prepared for the attack. Plus, she changed her flying techniques. It made sense to me. They took out the fleet from behind and then came from the rear and got rid of the scorpions on the wall, which faced forwards

To me that makes the last episode even dumber because she should have known to do that the first time.

 

[zjcvols]

Especially the episode before you sure the scorpions firing with little to no reload time. Then the very next episode show that the scorpions, in fact, take a very long time to reload.

That’s because they weren’t prepared because they couldn’t locate the dragon

 

[zjcvols]

To me that makes the last episode even dumber because she should have known to do that the first time.

They didn’t know they had that many scorpions before Rhaegal was killed, correct? And allegedly didn’t see the boats (which I agree that part was dumb. You got two dragons).

 

[BowlBrother85]

Especially the episode before you sure the scorpions firing with little to no reload time. Then the very next episode show that the scorpions, in fact, take a very long time to reload.

Yeah but that's a "why can't storm troopers shoot straight?" type of complaint. There has to be some allowance for 'plot armor' in a fantasy show like this. What they did with Jamie's character this season is more troubling. It didn't follow a consistent pattern of development.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Seems to me that early on, Dany had good intentions and probably unrealistic dreams of "world peace." As she rose to power and endured loss, she became basically the same person as Cersei, just with dragons.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

See here's the thing...the "plot armor" that has driven some fans crazy.

From the start of this season we've seen it. First you get Jorah who despite riding into the dark with the Dothraki as they get snuffed out survives. Why? So he can be there to rescue Dany and die in her arms. Then you got Tyrion and Sansa in the crypt neither is in danger why? because they both have to survive so Tyrion can be told about Jon. Then despite the Iron Fleet decimating Dany's boats & killing her dragon both Greyworm and Missandie survive.

I knew Dany was going to likely go full on mad queen, they've planted numerous seeds and made it more pressing this season. But how they delivered the "twist" was just not well done, at all. The fact Euron captured Missandie and that is who Cersei then executed in front of Dany was the easy/fast/rushed way to push the button.

Now we're back into typical hollywood ending, the knight in shining armor MAN is going to be the savior of the Westeros. I mean Jon Snow is a great character, but I really thought Martin's direction (especially in the books) was to drive home a woman savior. He develops his female characters with so much more depth than most writers and the show destroyed that last night for two of them.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

They didn’t know they had that many scorpions before Rhaegal was killed, correct? And allegedly didn’t see the boats (which I agree that part was dumb. You got two dragons).

I guess the entire idea that for all that war and battle intelligence on their side, nobody thought "Hey maybe we should send some scouts"? Or I don't know....fly higher and check it out before you go all in?

 

[VinnieVOL]

To me that makes the last episode even dumber because she should have known to do that the first time.

Yeah, seemed pretty dumb for the dragons to seem so vulnerable... So much so that we were theorizing what Euron saw on the sky, was it Drogon in armor?

One or two scorpions had seemingly neutralized the dragons. With enough time to install what looked to be dozens if scorpions on the city walls as well as on Euron's ships I thought the dragon would be less of a factor.

Then all of a sudden, Dany and one dragon took them all out with total ease.

I get that she was taken by surprise last episode, but she wasn't on a joyride. She knew she was flying in hostile territory and she knew the scorpion weapons existed.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Yeah but that's a "why can't storm troopers shoot straight?" type of complaint. There has to be some allowance for 'plot armor' in a fantasy show like this. What they did with Jamie's character this season is more troubling. It didn't follow a consistent pattern of development.

Meh....I guess but if I don't give TWD a pass for crap like that, I'm not giving GoT. I can buy some but the key is not to make it so blantantly obvious, and I felt like this was too obvious.

 

[VinnieVOL]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

One more point...Dany doesn't want Jon to say he's Aegon cause of his claim to the throne, but she wants Jon to be her husband? Wouldn't that ALSO MEAN HE'S THE KING...

 

[VolinMC]

I gotta agree with posters saying it's being rushed and not making much sense. That is the problem when they drop the amount of episodes last year and this year from the original 10. I believe it all would be better if they took more time.
Now for my crazy guess for the end,,,the Iron Throne gets thrown into Blackwater Bay after Jon has to kill Dany while Ayra fights Greyworm. Arya kills him but dies from injuries. Jon goes north to join Tormund and Ghost after that. There are 7 independent kingdoms instead of 7 regions under 1 kingdom. Sansa has the North,Gendry the Stormlands,Tarly the reach,"new prince" has Dorne and whoever else has the other ones.