Here comes the NCAA

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davethevol said:
If they impose massive penalties after everything UT did in being transparent, there’s no way the SEC and a few other conferences stay in the NCAA. They will form that super conference everyone knows is coming. Way too much money at stake in this day and age to continue with this silliness when they let other programs get away with things way worse than what UT did.
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Wishful thinking.
 
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onevol74 said:
In the future The University of Tennessee just needs to hire and retain who they want like those programs did and tell the NCAA to go straight to hell.

If they want to make an example out of UT, then UT needs to publish their level of cooperation and explain to other programs that cooperation only leads to the detriment of your program.
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Certainly you are not suggesting we should have retained cornbread?
 
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Hulavol said:
Fellas - remember when Alabama got drilled in the Albert Means case ? Remember what the violations were ? Remember what the penalties were?
Have those rules changed ?
Nope.
We got busted with the HEAD COACH - not a booster - the HEAD COACH paying players.
Busted.
No way there isn’t a bowl game ban forthcoming.
I hope I’m wrong, but I see no way we don’t get slammed over the top rope here.
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Then NO SCHOOL WILL EVER SELF INVESTIGATE AGAIN.
 
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davethevol said:
$60,000 is pocket change in recruiting. If they throw the book at UT over that, no way do other programs stick with the NCAA. I would bet UT and the SEC have a contingency plan.
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Think about that slowly. All of this is over $60K. Spyre walks around with $60k in $1 bills in his pocket every day around the sports complex.

That would be the hilarious/sad part of this, it’s over $60k.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Think about that slowly. All of this is over $60K. Spyre walks around with $60k in $1 bills in his pocket every day around the sports complex.

That would be the hilarious/sad part of this, it’s over $60k.
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I remember eating dinner with a running back from Memphis on signing day back in the 90’s when he’d received a bag of $15,000 that day for signing with Bama. Assuming most of the older folks on this board can guess who the money traced back to via a bag runner.

No telling how much he received before or after signing day.
 
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I don't understand how anyone can be confident that nothing more is going to come from this. UT probably made a huge mistake by doing an "internal investigation" to save a 12 million buyout. They should have just simply fired Pruitt for being a bad head coach and paid him his buyout and moved on. Instead they chose to put the immediate future of the program in the hands of the NCAA to save some money which could end up being a much greater cost. This would be so UT of the past decade to have finally broken through on the field only to be hamstrung by potential NCAA penalties. Nothing we can do now but wait and see how it plays out.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
I don't understand how anyone can be confident that nothing more is going to come from this. UT probably made a huge mistake by doing an "internal investigation" to save a 12 million buyout. They should have just simply fired Pruitt for being a bad head coach and paid him his buyout and moved on. Instead they chose to put the immediate future of the program in the hands of the NCAA to save some money which could end up being a much greater cost. This would be so UT of the past decade to have finally broken through on the field only to be hamstrung by potential NCAA penalties. Nothing we can do now but wait and see how it plays out.
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I don't think they had the $12million buyout money, because of having paid off the other two coaching Stooges before. Like the rest of us, I don't think the UT Admin knew they were going to luck into a good coaching hire after firing Pruitt.

The college probably thought the next coaching hire would just be mediocre and the NCAA/ media would just leave them alone and be OK with the self imposed penalties and punishments.
 
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loservol said:
I don't think they had the $12million buyout money, because of having paid off the other two coaching Stooges before. Like the rest of us, I don't think the UT Admin knew they were going to luck into a good coaching hire after firing Pruitt.

The college probably thought the next coaching hire would just be mediocre and the NCAA/ media would just leave them alone and be OK with the self imposed penalties and punishments.
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Fair enough. Hopefully it doesn't backfire.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
Fair enough. Hopefully it doesn't backfire.
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The only other alternative, would have been to kept him for another year, were the butthead would have probably lucked into 6 wins and a music city bowl. Then I would had the sad misfortune of having to read / hear a lot of yahoos and stupid talking heads swearing up and down, about how he and the team are turning the corner and just wait for next year.

If that had happened, I would of probably changed my username to suicidalvol or no-hope-vol.
 
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loservol said:
The only other alternative, would have been to kept him for another year, were the butthead would have probably lucked into 6 wins and a music city bowl. Then I would had the sad misfortune of having to read / hear a lot of yahoos and stupid talking heads swearing up and down, about how he and the team are turning the corner and just wait for next year.

If that had happened, I would of probably changed my username to suicidalvol or no-hope-vol.
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I'm glad he's no longer the coach. I've just always been a little worried and/or skeptical about how it went down. We told on ourselves in order to justify firing a coach. I'm no expert on NCAA infractions history, but I would venture to guess that almost never happens. But again, as you stated maybe that's the only choice we had if there was no money available, aka the boosters wouldn't have agreed to pony up.
 
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onevol74 said:
I am beginning to think our administration was stupid to do so. At first I thought Donde and Randy knew what they were doing. Now, not so much.
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If I remember correctly, there was a whistleblower that informed them of what was occurring. They were then likely advised of the risks going either way. In order to turn the blind eye successfully, you’d have to have EVERYONE, even the whistleblower, not speak of the issue or risk lack of institutional control allegations (and losing your own job). Conversely, coming clean the way they did avoids that issue, saves the buyout money, and your risk is between a small to unfair but manageable penalty. Given the options, I can’t say I would handle it different. I wouldn’t want to be responsible for death penalty type allegations against a program like ours. Would become permanently non-hireable too if everyone didn’t keep their mouths shut.
 
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We must stand up to the ncaa the penalties we already self imposed are more than sufficient and the fact our coaches hired to replace those responsible for the wrong doing have far exceeded expectations cannot be used against us. This is solely the Ncaa crying but we want it to hurt more and we want to pick the pain like some damn Sadists.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
I don't understand how anyone can be confident that nothing more is going to come from this. UT probably made a huge mistake by doing an "internal investigation" to save a 12 million buyout. They should have just simply fired Pruitt for being a bad head coach and paid him his buyout and moved on. Instead they chose to put the immediate future of the program in the hands of the NCAA to save some money which could end up being a much greater cost. This would be so UT of the past decade to have finally broken through on the field only to be hamstrung by potential NCAA penalties. Nothing we can do now but wait and see how it plays out.
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Nothing is gonna happen. Relax. Pruitt isn’t getting his buyout.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
I don't understand how anyone can be confident that nothing more is going to come from this. UT probably made a huge mistake by doing an "internal investigation" to save a 12 million buyout. They should have just simply fired Pruitt for being a bad head coach and paid him his buyout and moved on. Instead they chose to put the immediate future of the program in the hands of the NCAA to save some money which could end up being a much greater cost. This would be so UT of the past decade to have finally broken through on the field only to be hamstrung by potential NCAA penalties. Nothing we can do now but wait and see how it plays out.
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Firing Pruitt and paying his buyout would not have undone the NCAA violations.

Are you suggesting that after learning about the violations, the university should have just ignored them hoping nothing ever leaked especially the decision to coverup known violations ?
 
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overseasorange2 said:
News about NCAA Investigation

Jeremy Pruitt is sideshow. Real showdown at football infractions hearing is Tennessee vs NCAA


This doesn't sound too good for us!:mad:
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I agree with the part about Fulmer in the second article. UT owned up to all the Pruitt stuff, fired him and gave him zero buyout. They threw Fulmer a retirement party and gave him a million dollar going-away present. Next thing you know, the NCAA is alleging failure to monitor, which would have been Fulmer's job.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
Firing Pruitt and paying his buyout would not have undone the NCAA violations.

Are you suggesting that after learning about the violations, the university should have just ignored them hoping nothing ever leaked especially the decision to coverup known violations ?
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I'm suggesting they were looking for a reason to get out of the buyout instead of just firing him. Every major program cheats to some degree, some way more than others. But maybe everything will work out in UT's favor.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nothing is gonna happen. Relax. Pruitt isn’t getting his buyout.
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How do you know that for sure though? I couldn't care less if Pruitt gets his buyout but I do care if the NCAA uses this as a way to make an example that they're still relevant, which is possible. Not saying it will happen but it's a possibility.
 
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