Here comes the NCAA

#252
#252
You guys are funny man. You guys act like UT can “stand up to the NCAA,” “and that the SEC gives a crap” they can’t, and they don’t. If UT misses the post season for a few years and recruiting suffers as a result, as long as all that nine figure TV money keeps pouring into Birmingham, and the other big fish lave learned to be more careful (OU, aTm, UTx, Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, UF, etc) then so be it. The politics of this is simple.

We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.

From Rich Ensor - head of COI - who is retiring in June after this wraps ; you don’t think he wants to make a statement ?

Feb 28-
“There are too many riches available at the end of the (rainbow) for some of the folks that go out and break the rules. We have to have a risk-reward system here in place, and right now there’s no risk to them because we haven’t really had strong enforcement, in my mind, for a while.”

Again- hope I’m wrong - but I suspect we are going to be paying lawyers to file a big fat appeal which they are most assuredly laying the groundwork for.
 
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Hulavol said:
You guys are funny man. You guys act like UT can “stand up to the NCAA,” “and that the SEC gives a crap” they can’t, and they don’t. If UT misses the post season for a few years and recruiting suffers as a result, as long as all that nine figure TV money keeps pouring into Birmingham, and the other big fish lave learned to be more careful (OU, aTm, UTx, Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, UF, etc) then so be it. The politics of this is simple.

We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.

From Rich Ensor - head of COI - who is retiring in June after this wraps ; you don’t think he wants to make a statement ?

Feb 28-
“There are too many riches available at the end of the (rainbow) for some of the folks that go out and break the rules. We have to have a risk-reward system here in place, and right now there’s no risk to them because we haven’t really had strong enforcement, in my mind, for a while.”

Again- hope I’m wrong - but I suspect we are going to be paying lawyers to file a big fat appeal which they are most assuredly laying the groundwork for.
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Not to nit pick but I’m not sure these are the worst rules you can break. Sure SMU got the death penalty, but last I checked Penn State still has a football program
 
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onevol74 said:
How do we know that Pruitt has not already gotten a pay out? He sure got quiet after his lawyer threatened action. If he was not paid I think he would still be making noise.
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He would have had to be paid with private funds not know by university. Public funds would have been reported.
 
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onevol74 said:
How do we know that Pruitt has not already gotten a pay out? He sure got quiet after his lawyer threatened action. If he was not paid I think he would still be making noise.
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Any money directy from UT would have to be on public records since UT is a government institution.
 
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Hulavol said:
You guys are funny man. You guys act like UT can “stand up to the NCAA,” “and that the SEC gives a crap” they can’t, and they don’t. If UT misses the post season for a few years and recruiting suffers as a result, as long as all that nine figure TV money keeps pouring into Birmingham, and the other big fish lave learned to be more careful (OU, aTm, UTx, Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, UF, etc) then so be it. The politics of this is simple.

We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.

From Rich Ensor - head of COI - who is retiring in June after this wraps ; you don’t think he wants to make a statement ?

Feb 28-
“There are too many riches available at the end of the (rainbow) for some of the folks that go out and break the rules. We have to have a risk-reward system here in place, and right now there’s no risk to them because we haven’t really had strong enforcement, in my mind, for a while.”

Again- hope I’m wrong - but I suspect we are going to be paying lawyers to file a big fat appeal which they are most assuredly laying the groundwork for.
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Put down the pipe and watch all your ridiculous fears melt away. You are wrong.
 
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[QUOTE}We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.[/QUOTE]

SMU did not get the death penalty until after the 2nd or 3rd time they were directly caught and it was on a scale way beyond what we have done - if the reports of what has been proven are true. Eric Dickerson got a $30K car back when that wasn't the starting price for many vehicles. It would have been the equivalent of giving someone an Escalade today.

The NCAA has basically said the death penalty as SMU was hit with is off the table. The fallout of that penalty reached way further than NCAA officials ever expected in terms of crippling SMU for years following the intended consequence. That is why Penn State was not hit with it when campus administrators were caught knowingly covering up the Sandusky scandal.

I think there is a good chance that we end up with an additional penalty beyond what has been self imposed, but I would bet money that it will not be anything crippling.
 
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Hulavol said:
We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.
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SMU did not get the death penalty until after the 2nd or 3rd time they were directly caught and it was on a scale way beyond what we have done - if the reports of what has been proven are true. Eric Dickerson got a $30K car back when that wasn't the starting price for many vehicles. It would have been the equivalent of giving someone an Escalade today.

The NCAA has basically said the death penalty as SMU was hit with is off the table. The fallout of that penalty reached way further than NCAA officials ever expected in terms of crippling SMU for years following the intended consequence. That is why Penn State was not hit with it when campus administrators were caught knowingly covering up the Sandusky scandal.

I think there is a good chance that we end up with an additional penalty beyond what has been self imposed, but I would bet money that it will not be anything crippling.
 
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Hulavol said:
You guys are funny man. You guys act like UT can “stand up to the NCAA,” “and that the SEC gives a crap” they can’t, and they don’t. If UT misses the post season for a few years and recruiting suffers as a result, as long as all that nine figure TV money keeps pouring into Birmingham, and the other big fish lave learned to be more careful (OU, aTm, UTx, Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, UF, etc) then so be it. The politics of this is simple.

We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.

From Rich Ensor - head of COI - who is retiring in June after this wraps ; you don’t think he wants to make a statement ?

Feb 28-
“There are too many riches available at the end of the (rainbow) for some of the folks that go out and break the rules. We have to have a risk-reward system here in place, and right now there’s no risk to them because we haven’t really had strong enforcement, in my mind, for a while.”

Again- hope I’m wrong - but I suspect we are going to be paying lawyers to file a big fat appeal which they are most assuredly laying the groundwork for.
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I thought I read somewhere that they (NCAA) would avoid using the bowl ban because it only punishes the innocent (players and coaches) that were not even there when the infractions occurred. What's the point of that!
 
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I heard UTs AD has indicated he will sue the NCAA if it tries to impose additional penalties beyond the self-imposed.

Also, if the NCAA removes scholarships, UT can just set up NIL for players and make them preferred walk-ons.
 
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Hulavol said:
You guys are funny man. You guys act like UT can “stand up to the NCAA,” “and that the SEC gives a crap” they can’t, and they don’t. If UT misses the post season for a few years and recruiting suffers as a result, as long as all that nine figure TV money keeps pouring into Birmingham, and the other big fish lave learned to be more careful (OU, aTm, UTx, Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, UF, etc) then so be it. The politics of this is simple.

We broke literally the worst rules you can break, and the bow tie wearing COI from the academic world wants to hammer us.

The head coach personally paying players.
Not our D Line coach - you know - the bagman… our HEAD COACH.

SMU got the death penalty for less.

Now, I hope I’m wrong obviously, but sadly, you’re delusional if you think they will just accept what we already self imposed.

From Rich Ensor - head of COI - who is retiring in June after this wraps ; you don’t think he wants to make a statement ?

Feb 28-
“There are too many riches available at the end of the (rainbow) for some of the folks that go out and break the rules. We have to have a risk-reward system here in place, and right now there’s no risk to them because we haven’t really had strong enforcement, in my mind, for a while.”

Again- hope I’m wrong - but I suspect we are going to be paying lawyers to file a big fat appeal which they are most assuredly laying the groundwork for.
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camp_steveo said:
Also, if the NCAA removes scholarships, UT can just set up NIL for players and make them preferred walk-ons.
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That is a very interesting solution. It could actually hasten the death of college football as we know it. I'm thinking a Curt Flood kind of ruling.
 
#268
#268
cherokeeeVOL said:
I don't understand how anyone can be confident that nothing more is going to come from this. UT probably made a huge mistake by doing an "internal investigation" to save a 12 million buyout. They should have just simply fired Pruitt for being a bad head coach and paid him his buyout and moved on. Instead they chose to put the immediate future of the program in the hands of the NCAA to save some money which could end up being a much greater cost. This would be so UT of the past decade to have finally broken through on the field only to be hamstrung by potential NCAA penalties. Nothing we can do now but wait and see how it plays out.
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Yep, it was a big gamble that we are yet to see it paid off, and cynics do see the "internal investigation" and cooperation as a self-serving means of saving the 12 million dollars. I don't know how the NCAA sees it, but the fact that this is going to a hearing shows there is still significant substantive disagreement on punishment between them and the school.
 
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vols40 said:
As bad as the "Pony Express" was, the Penn State situation was way worse.
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The Penn State thing was sort of a house of cards from a legal perspective. Sandusky was a POS of the highest order no doubt, but the rest of it in terms of a broad indictment of the athletic program was kind of shaky in that it was based on a lot of hearsay and second guessing with the benefit of hindsight. I personally thought they mostly got railroaded. Louis Freeh who wrote the report is the same guy who tried to frame Richard Jewell. He's a shameless career opportunist who plays fast and loose with the facts to satisfy any mob who will praise him and further him in his career.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The Penn State thing was sort of a house of cards from a legal perspective. Sandusky was a POS of the highest order no doubt, but the rest of it in terms of a broad indictment of the athletic program was kind of shaky in that it was based on a lot of hearsay and second guessing with the benefit of hindsight. I personally thought they mostly got railroaded. Louis Freeh who wrote the report is the same guy who tried to frame Richard Jewell. He's a shameless career opportunist who plays fast and loose with the facts to satisfy any mob who will praise him and further him in his career.
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I always thought that the Penn State case was much more of a legal criminal case than that of the NCAA. What happened was obviously terrible, but I never thought the death penalty should be given to a program based on the actions of a few.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Yep, it was a big gamble that we are yet to see it paid off, and cynics do see the "internal investigation" and cooperation as a self-serving means of saving the 12 million dollars. I don't know how the NCAA sees it, but the fact that this is going to a hearing shows there is still significant substantive disagreement on punishment between them and the school.
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There is no reason to fear anything major will happen. Why you or anyone else would think it will baffles me.
 
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