Here comes the NCAA

With TN being fully cooperative and transparent with the NCAA and being praised by them for it, and they still hammer TN, then NCAA will kill off any chance of a school ever cooperating with them again. Everyone will tell them to go &#$% off. Lets hope they realize that. And TN should follow with a lawsuit disputing the charges and delay them from applying for yrs.
 
I hope this is true but it doesn’t make much sense to drag it out if there’s no failed negotiation between the two parties. I would think it would just be a closed case? Why the need for optics?
Right, doesn't really make sense. Hubbs just said it was the NCAA trying to show that TN can't just decide and implement its own punishment, without having to go through the process of the Committee on Infractions. Pruitt will be there and he'll probably get a 1 or 2 year show cause. Sounds like Ansley won't show up (because he's in the NFL and doesn't care) and will probably get hammered even worse with a 5 year show cause.

I guess the toothless NCAA just wants to act like its still the 70's or 80's where everyone was on probation and scared of them. Much different public relations and legal environment today. NCAA as an organization has no relevance. Pretty much like the AAU.
 
Can't imagine Pruitt would get less of a show cause time than one of his assistants. Rules 1-100 for dealing with the NCAA - never trust them!!!
 
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With TN being fully cooperative and transparent with the NCAA and being praised by them for it, and they still hammer TN, then NCAA will kill off any chance of a school ever cooperating with them again. Everyone will tell them to go &#$% off. Lets hope they realize that. And TN should follow with a lawsuit disputing the charges and delay them from applying for yrs.

This already happened with Bruce Pearl! Never cooperate! Threaten counter suits do anything but cooperate. The ncaa is a not a professional organization. They will stab you in the back. Every other school that has fought back has won against them. Any that cooperate get buried. Look at bama, unc, kansas, etc. They all walked.
 
Right, doesn't really make sense. Hubbs just said it was the NCAA trying to show that TN can't just decide and implement its own punishment, without having to go through the process of the Committee on Infractions. Pruitt will be there and he'll probably get a 1 or 2 year show cause. Sounds like Ansley won't show up (because he's in the NFL and doesn't care) and will probably get hammered even worse with a 5 year show cause.

I guess the toothless NCAA just wants to act like its still the 70's or 80's where everyone was on probation and scared of them. Much different public relations and legal environment today. NCAA as an organization has no relevance. Pretty much like the AAU.
It’d he gets a 1-2 year show cause, then Donny Tindall and Bruce Pearl need to bring an immediate lawsuit. This light of a sentence only means that Sankey and Saban are tampering.
 
It’d he gets a 1-2 year show cause, then Donny Tindall and Bruce Pearl need to bring an immediate lawsuit. This light of a sentence only means that Sankey and Saban are tampering.
That's exactly what I think will happen. Sankey and Saban will cry to NCAA that Pruitt deserves to get off easy and will try to blame it on Pruitt's staff at UT.
 
I know this is speculation but what would be the worst case scenario? Recruiting limitations, scholarship reductions? Multi-year probation? It sounds like the bowl ban isn't an option which is good. And this is probably my BVS kicking in but it would be just our luck to be crippled by the NCAA after finally hiring the right coach.
Bowl ban is not on the table per Volquest. They're just haggling over a reduced number of OVs and scholarships losses.
 
Bowl ban is not on the table per Volquest. They're just haggling over a reduced number of OVs and scholarships losses.
Yeah I read somewhere that the NCAA is no longer giving out bowl bans. Seems like if this is really a nothing burger that they wouldn’t drag it out with hearings and so on? But here’s hoping it really turns out to be no big deal and we can finally have it out of the way.
 
Bowl ban is not on the table per Volquest. They're just haggling over a reduced number of OVs and scholarships losses.

VQ has begun to hedge on that bowl ban message. There are some people at UT that believe that might be the objective on violation 18.
 
This is an OMG moment and Reality Ck.

UT handed over all the evidence where other schools shut them down. We in essence handed them a case that in reality did the investigation for them and served it on a platter.

What's more, is that we imposed our own punishment, took corrective action and implemented it.

Again, served it on a silver platter to the NCAA.

The actions we took were good enough for most schools but because the NCAA didn't have to argue their case and spend $$$,
they maybe deciding to up the punishment to show that they can grow a tooth.

We gave them the information in Good Faith and they may well use it against us by stating it was not enough. At this point the AD may have to argue this in Court.

IMO, the NCAA wants to show that they have teeth, as this was an easy no/minimum cost investigation and they will use it against us to try to grow a tooth.

With NIL being on the board at present day, it would be hard to prove that Tennessee did not take enough Corrective Actions to warrant a gross infringement of the rules. Second, no bowl banned because it will cost them money in the long run.

Why did they let Kansas off the hook and when it came out to the open they won a NCAAM Championship. What's more, Self issued a lifetime contract.

We need to fight it now and recover the ground that we deserve vs laying down and taking it.
 
This is an OMG moment and Reality Ck.

UT handed over all the evidence where other schools shut them down. We in essence handed them a case that in reality did the investigation for them and served it on a platter.

What's more, is that we imposed our own punishment, took corrective action and implemented it.

Again, served it on a silver platter to the NCAA.

The actions we took were good enough for most schools but because the NCAA didn't have to argue their case and spend $$$,
they maybe deciding to up the punishment to show that they can grow a tooth.

We gave them the information in Good Faith and they may well use it against us by stating it was not enough. At this point the AD may have to argue this in Court.

IMO, the NCAA wants to show that they have teeth, as this was an easy no/minimum cost investigation and they will use it against us to try to grow a tooth.

With NIL being on the board at present day, it would be hard to prove that Tennessee did not take enough Corrective Actions to warrant a gross infringement of the rules. Second, no bowl banned because it will cost them money in the long run.

Why did they let Kansas off the hook and when it came out to the open they won a NCAAM Championship. What's more, Self issued a lifetime contract.

We need to fight it now and recover the ground that we deserve vs laying down and taking it.
Well said. It sure seems like the NCAA wants the opportunity to make a statement and UT has given them a golden opportunity.
 
Maybe the NCAA understands that we handed them the case on a platter so that we could get out of paying Pruitt and his minions buyouts. We wanted Pruitt gone and we got it and saved 15 million minus legal fees of 1.5 million. The only way we could have done this is for someone high up to have had knowledge of the wrong doings. This points to our AD (thus his name being left out of the report) Really not that hard to figure out and that’s why The NCAA may give us a little something extra.
The problem with all this is what we are experiencing now. One can never be entirely sure what the NCAA will do.
 
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What if the NCAA has information that may have been excluded from the UT investigation and report? That would be the only reason for extending penalties. Unless Sankey or Saban has gotten involved.
 
What if the NCAA has information that may have been excluded from the UT investigation and report? That would be the only reason for extending penalties. Unless Sankey or Saban has gotten involved.

I don’t think they can do that. If they’re leveling new charges, I think they would have to issue a new Notice of Allegations.
 
Fellas - remember when Alabama got drilled in the Albert Means case ? Remember what the violations were ? Remember what the penalties were?
Have those rules changed ?
Nope.
We got busted with the HEAD COACH - not a booster - the HEAD COACH paying players.
Busted.
No way there isn’t a bowl game ban forthcoming.
I hope I’m wrong, but I see no way we don’t get slammed over the top rope here.
 
Fellas - remember when Alabama got drilled in the Albert Means case ? Remember what the violations were ? Remember what the penalties were?
Have those rules changed ?
Nope.
We got busted with the HEAD COACH - not a booster - the HEAD COACH paying players.
Busted.
No way there isn’t a bowl game ban forthcoming.
I hope I’m wrong, but I see no way we don’t get slammed over the top rope here.
There is too much variability in the NCAA’s punishments over the years to attach too much weight to a single example of a previous violation. For every heavy handed punishment they have handed down, there’s an example of a team getting a lighter one. Not saying the punishment will go one way or the other, but to cherry pick a single case from 20+ years ago and cite it as precedent is a reach.
 
Fellas - remember when Alabama got drilled in the Albert Means case ? Remember what the violations were ? Remember what the penalties were?
Have those rules changed ?
Nope.
We got busted with the HEAD COACH - not a booster - the HEAD COACH paying players.
Busted.
No way there isn’t a bowl game ban forthcoming.
I hope I’m wrong, but I see no way we don’t get slammed over the top rope here.

You are wrong. Very little is going to happen.
 
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For some reason I think cornbread has got the goods on Fulmer.

if that were true and he has real evidence, then Tennessee is in serious trouble. If Plowman and Boyd covered Fulmer up when he was complicit, that is no doubt lack of institutional control. Then the penalty could be very harsh.
 
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if that were true and he has real evidence, then Tennessee is in serious trouble. If Plowman and Boyd covered Fulmer up when he was complicit, that is no doubt lack of institutional control. Then the penalty could be very harsh.

I can't imagine Phillip Fulmer was cheating. If he was, I like to think we would have had a better team.
 
if that were true and he has real evidence, then Tennessee is in serious trouble. If Plowman and Boyd covered Fulmer up when he was complicit, that is no doubt lack of institutional control. Then the penalty could be very harsh.
… if that were true though wouldn’t he have presented that when he was trying to get his buyout, instead of now?
 
Maybe someone stepped forward and gave Pruitt info (proof) that the AD was complicit in the shenanigans in Memphis. Who knows.
 

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