Here comes the NCAA

[LWSVOL]

Don’t be naive. Every major university has been paying players for Atleast the last 50 years. You can’t truly think that Tennessee was paying players, and Georgia and Alabama were stacking up 5 stars while not paying. The only reason Pruitt got caught, was someone wanted to get rid of him at the university. If he’d of been winning 10 games a year none of this would’ve seen the light of day.

I didn't say anything about who was paying players. Sure all schools have players getting money and have throughout history. I was just referencing what the rules are then and today.

 

[onevol74]

Ok. Thanks for that info.

He really fooled Phil then.

Probably was not that difficult.

 

[LWSVOL]

LWS - really respect your take. I guess I am wondering another angle. Since we decided to give Phil Paycheck a hero's sendoff, and paid his buyout, would this bite us, especially since a 'lack of oversight' was listed in the 'notice of infractions'? I realize I am butchering the terms, I just don't have time to look up the proper phrases.

The Knoxville News states again today in an article that Fulmer not named in the report and that knowledge of the violations went no higher than Pruitt.

the article also states the NCAA has alleged that Tennessee failed to monitor the football program and that is the most serious of the 18 violations alleged and carries the harshests penalty. That has been my concern that they could hit UT with failure to monitored as an LOIC issue.

The article also states, Pruitt's defense "could" include threats he has made before. That other programs at UT have committed similar violations as he and football staff did. That might not help Pruitts case but would further damage UTs case for the LOIC charge. I would think he would have to have proof and not just allege those things.

Just adding more information to the discussion...

 

[LWSVOL]

Ok. Thanks for that info.

He really fooled Phil then.

its a compliance department issue. their job is to monitor the program and report up line the issues. The AD can't go around monitoring all the programs under his control for violations. If he/she did that, they would not be doing many other aspects of their job. Its why you have a full time compliance department.

 

[Jax_Vol]

its a compliance department issue. their job is to monitor the program and report up line the issues. The AD can't go around monitoring all the programs under his control for violations. If he/she did that, they would not be doing many other aspects of their job. Its why you have a full time compliance department.

I was thinking more about the interview process. Sometimes when talking to people, you can just tell that they are a weasel.

The NFL is going thru that process now pre-draft. Hooker is doing well. The Kentucky QB is a weasel.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The Knoxville News states again today in an article that Fulmer not named in the report and that knowledge of the violations went no higher than Pruitt.

the article also states the NCAA has alleged that Tennessee failed to monitor the football program and that is the most serious of the 18 violations alleged and carries the harshests penalty. That has been my concern that they could hit UT with failure to monitored as an LOIC issue.

The article also states, Pruitt's defense "could" include threats he has made before. That other programs at UT have committed similar violations as he and football staff did. That might not help Pruitts case but would further damage UTs case for the LOIC charge. I would think he would have to have proof and not just allege those things.

Just adding more information to the discussion...

This statement just proves how worthless the NCAA is when offering this as a reason to dissolve.
IOW, we are better off if we monitor the violations, admit to nothing, enforce no self imposed violations.
TN has been on the short end of the stick for a while when comparing it to other schools.

 

[onevol74]

If Pruitt states that other UT programs were operating in the same manner then the NCAA should respond with why did he not report it? If Pruitt operated illegally at UT, then how was this different than his behavior at other SEC schools? At that point more investigation is needed.

 

[hog88]

Here is the infractions committee. this is the group of people that Tennessee has been trying to negotiate settlement regarding penalties.

NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions Roster

Is it a simple majority vote by the committee or 2/3rds or unanimous to impose penalties?

 

[dobre_shunka]

If Pruitt states that other UT programs were operating in the same manner then the NCAA should respond with why did he not report it? If Pruitt operated illegally at UT, then how was this different than his behavior at other SEC schools? At that point more investigation is needed.

If Pruitt truly had dirt on the other sports, I have to think he would have already provided that.

It was almost a year and half ago when his attorney threatened to "cripple UT's athletic programs for years" with all the alleged dirt he had. Pruitt's deadline to pay his buyout was October a year and after not getting a penny of it, nothing has even been rumored about other issues at UTAD since then.

And with Pruitt having already been interviewed by the NCAA, why hold any bombshells for this hearing instead of ratting out basketball, baseball, etc. during his previous NCAA interviews?

 

[LWSVOL]

Is it a simple majority vote by the committee or 2/3rds or unanimous to impose penalties?

Guessing majority rule. Hearing is with subset not entire committee. Think entire committee votes though

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Is it a simple majority vote by the committee or 2/3rds or unanimous to impose penalties?

NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions Roster

VolTwitter, do your thing.

 

[LadyVolette]

I think we are looking at a bowl ban this season and loss of scholarships and that’s it

Why? Didn’t we already do all of that ourselves? They aren’t going to cut off revenue either what with the Duke Mayo Bowl and the Idaho Potato Bowl.. there are like twenty bowl games.. money talks, BS walks

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

I know this is speculation but what would be the worst case scenario? Recruiting limitations, scholarship reductions? Multi-year probation? It sounds like the bowl ban isn't an option which is good. And this is probably my BVS kicking in but it would be just our luck to be crippled by the NCAA after finally hiring the right coach.

 

[CAVPUT]

This statement just proves how worthless the NCAA is when offering this as a reason to dissolve.
IOW, we are better off if we monitor the violations, admit to nothing, enforce no self imposed violations.
TN has been on the short end of the stick for a while when comparing it to other schools.

In particular, Bama. No one will ever convince me that the NCAA would take it to this point after all the money we spent and all we did to self investigate and clean house were it not for some outside influence pushing them to do so. If we were still in the throes of being a dying program at the bottom of the SEC instead of beating bama and damned near making the playoffs this past season, this would have been over already with the NCAA accepting all we've done. No, there's more to this and I don't care what anyone says or writes, Just sick and tired of this double standard where blue bloods are ignored or given a slap on the wrist whereas we lay waste to our athletic department only to have the NCAA hammer us. And it's not just us. They've got a history of favoring some and crucifying others. Not sure if we have grounds, but I hope we sue the living hell outta the NCAA. Break 'em.

 

[onevol74]

In particular, Bama. No one will ever convince me that the NCAA would take it to this point after all the money we spent and all we did to self investigate and clean house were it not for some outside influence pushing them to do so. If we were still in the throes of being a dying program at the bottom of the SEC instead of beating bama and damned near making the playoffs this past season, this would have been over already with the NCAA accepting all we've done. No, there's more to this and I don't care what anyone says or writes, Just sick and tired of this double standard where blue bloods are ignored or given a slap on the wrist whereas we lay waste to our athletic department only to have the NCAA hammer us. And it's not just us. They've got a history of favoring some and crucifying others. Not sure if we have grounds, but I hope we sue the living hell outta the NCAA. Break 'em.

If you are talking Bama, you are talking Sankey, Bama’s puppet.

 

[Smokey X]

I apologize in advance if this is a really dumb question but, assuming we receive scholarship reductions, does that translate directly to fewer players overall? In other words can we offset the scholly reductions with an equal number of walk on players. I know there is a limit to how many can travel and/or dress out.

And if we can offset the numbers, what is to keep desirable players that would otherwise receive schollies, from walking on and using NIL funds to pay their own way.

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

[CAVPUT]

If you are talking Bama, you are talking Sankey, Bama’s puppet.

I am and he is. That's precisely why we're in this position. If Sankey were legit and had some balls, he wouldn't be letting Saban pull his strings.

 

[knoxvol52]

I'm not even sweating this it is what it is The University shouldn't have hired Pruitt to start with he rates right up there with Donnie Tyndall in my book for worst hires add Derek zDooley as well

 

[loservol]

I'm not even sweating this it is what it is The University shouldn't have hired Pruitt to start with he rates right up there with Donnie Tyndall in my book for worst hires add Derek zDooley as well

If the team was mediocre during this investigation, I would just shrugged my shoulders and go on, but this team is legitimately ready to challenge for it all. Just makes it feel like someone, or a group of someone's hiding behind the curtain is operating the strings.

 

[Volanooga2521]

Hubbs talked about it on the Volquest Podcast and basically said that the hearing later in April is a dog and pony show and the Committee on Infractions will just accept the penalties already self-imposed or add a couple of more scholarships to the penalty. He said it was more of an optics thing that is making the NCAA have the actual hearings and not really a failed negotiation between UT and NCAA.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Hubbs talked about it on the Volquest Podcast and basically said that the hearing later in April is a dog and pony show and the Committee on Infractions will just accept the penalties already self-imposed or add a couple of more scholarships to the penalty. He said it was more of an optics thing that is making the NCAA have the actual hearings and not really a failed negotiation between UT and NCAA.

Sounds optimistic.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Hubbs talked about it on the Volquest Podcast and basically said that the hearing later in April is a dog and pony show and the Committee on Infractions will just accept the penalties already self-imposed or add a couple of more scholarships to the penalty. He said it was more of an optics thing that is making the NCAA have the actual hearings and not really a failed negotiation between UT and NCAA.

I hope this is true but it doesn’t make much sense to drag it out if there’s no failed negotiation between the two parties. I would think it would just be a closed case? Why the need for optics?

 

[Sudden Impact]

In particular, Bama. No one will ever convince me that the NCAA would take it to this point after all the money we spent and all we did to self investigate and clean house were it not for some outside influence pushing them to do so. If we were still in the throes of being a dying program at the bottom of the SEC instead of beating bama and damned near making the playoffs this past season, this would have been over already with the NCAA accepting all we've done. No, there's more to this and I don't care what anyone says or writes, Just sick and tired of this double standard where blue bloods are ignored or given a slap on the wrist whereas we lay waste to our athletic department only to have the NCAA hammer us. And it's not just us. They've got a history of favoring some and crucifying others. Not sure if we have grounds, but I hope we sue the living hell outta the NCAA. Break 'em.

You stated this much better than I did. I agree. It's not just football and in some schools it is both Basketball and Football as well. UNC, and look at Kansas I can't for the life of me understand how Self is still coaching there.

 

[onevol74]

You stated this much better than I did. I agree. It's not just football and in some schools it is both Basketball and Football as well. UNC, and look at Kansas I can't for the life of me understand how Self is still coaching there.

In the future The University of Tennessee just needs to hire and retain who they want like those programs did and tell the NCAA to go straight to hell.

If they want to make an example out of UT, then UT needs to publish their level of cooperation and explain to other programs that cooperation only leads to the detriment of your program.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

In the future The University of Tennessee just needs to hire and retain who they want like those programs did and tell the NCAA to go straight to hell.

If they want to make an example out of UT, then UT needs to publish their level of cooperation and explain to other programs that cooperation only leads to the detriment of your program.

Hiring and retaining who we want is sort of the problem, we f-ed up and hired a stupid Bammer as head football coach. He was too dumb not to get caught so we decided to throw him under the bus to try and save his 12 million dollar buyout. How that works out has yet to be determined. I suspect it won't end up too bad, unless Pruitt's got provable dirt on Fulmer like LWS said.