Holy Crap -- basketball penalties

#227
#227
zjcvols said:
Look, in terms of punishment, it'll be okay. I don't think it'll be too bad, but still, it looks terrible for the university. It's just another low blow. And while I think the NCAA will accept our penalties...you just don't lie to the NCAA. You just don't.
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See, this is where I differ from a lot of the posters here. I care a lot more about how it looks for the university than I do what the specific punishment ends up being. I'm sick of seeing stuff about my alma mater on the ESPN crawl. I'm sick of strangers giving me crap about whatever the latest TN BS is when they see me wearing a UT shirt. I'm sick of the reputation our school is earning.

I'm done with it. I've spent years giving him the benefit of the doubt for everything, but I'm through. The guy in charge of this mess needs to lose his job. Fire Mike Hamilton.
 
#228
#228
BigPapaVol said:
not arguing that and it's apparent here, but let's not pretend that this is some isolated and egregious incident. Called when we shouldn't have, using a tactic that most programs use, then told the AA that we weren't blatantly ignoring their rules. I get it. Don't like it and don't like that we got caught, but this is a widespread issue that won't end at UT.
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You sure? the biggest problem is proof and Pearl just gave them all they needed. If another school says they didn't do it and the NCAA cant prove it, its over.
 
#231
#231
MHF is looking continuously more ignorant with each passing season. Instead of being ashamed of what our program did, he is applauding the man that lied to the NCAA about this.

Bravo, sir, bravo.
 
#232
#232
BigOrangeloV said:
Why aren't they (NCAA) on UCONN's, KYs, UNC's campus? To me...this is the bigger question.
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they are actually on all 3. UConn is about to get a hammer and UK simply stays under investigation. UNC has an anal probe so deep, someone's gonna gag.
 
#233
#233
Vercingetorix said:
See, this is where I differ from a lot of the posters here. I care a lot more about how it looks for the university than I do what the specific punishment ends up being. I'm sick of seeing stuff about my alma mater on the ESPN crawl. I'm sick of strangers giving me crap about whatever the latest TN BS is when they see me wearing a UT shirt. I'm sick of the reputation our school is earning.

I'm done with it. I've spent years giving him the benefit of the doubt for everything, but I'm through. The guy in charge of this mess needs to lose his job. Fire Mike Hamilton.
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Agreed.
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#235
#235
Vercingetorix said:
See, this is where I differ from a lot of the posters here. I care a lot more about how it looks for the university than I do what the specific punishment ends up being. I'm sick of seeing stuff about my alma mater on the ESPN crawl. I'm sick of strangers giving me crap about whatever the latest TN BS is when they see me wearing a UT shirt. I'm sick of the reputation our school is earning.

I'm done with it. I've spent years giving him the benefit of the doubt for everything, but I'm through. The guy in charge of this mess needs to lose his job. Fire Mike Hamilton.
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and I think that's fair. Not being an alum, I don't quite take the same tack, but that makes complete sense to me. Exonerating the UT system, the structure of the AD vis a vis the greater university and the school administration is a bad idea IMO. Firing Hamilton does that as I see it. I like your earlier point that the Ath Dept needs to fall more closely under the auspices of the UT pres.
 
#237
#237
Vercingetorix said:
See, this is where I differ from a lot of the posters here. I care a lot more about how it looks for the university than I do what the specific punishment ends up being. I'm sick of seeing stuff about my alma mater on the ESPN crawl. I'm sick of strangers giving me crap about whatever the latest TN BS is when they see me wearing a UT shirt. I'm sick of the reputation our school is earning.

I'm done with it. I've spent years giving him the benefit of the doubt for everything, but I'm through. The guy in charge of this mess needs to lose his job. Fire Mike Hamilton.
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I'm at the same point as of 3 eastern.
 
#238
#238
utvol0427 said:
Agreed, but if they are throwing out that he is a liar, fake, etc. now they have proof to back up their claims. Lying to the 'AA was stupid and I think it could be used against him in recruiting.
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You really think other schools will use this against him in recruiting? Shocking!!
 
#239
#239
MontereyVol said:
data from the type of phones they are alluding to is hard to trace.

I just have an uneasy feeling about this, I think there may be more going on here than some lies and phones.
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where do you think they're getting the info that they have now?
 
#242
#242
Actually, this is good news. CBP is one of the top 5 COACHS in the country. This is an ugly mark on his resume, and he'll be more likely to stay around for another 10 years to clean it up.

Those who say CBP should be gone are CRAZY! He could COACH a bunch of walk ons to compete for the SEC title. That's the important thing - he's a great coach. Unfortunally, recruiting is shisty, and he tried to play the game. We can't blame him for wanting to take it to the next level.

Give him time to clean it up.
 
#243
#243
You all aren't looking at the positives.... he will be really focused to recruit the 2012 class :blink:
 
#244
#244
Satchel said:
Actually, this is good news. CBP is one of the top 5 COACHS in the country. This is an ugly mark on his resume, and he'll be more likely to stay around for another 10 years to clean it up.

Those who say CBP should be gone are CRAZY! He could COACH a bunch of walk ons to compete for the SEC title. That's the important thing - he's a great coach. Unfortunally, recruiting is shisty, and he tried to play the game. We can't blame him for wanting to take it to the next level.

Give him time to clean it up.
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Hate the game, not the playa?
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#245
#245
Satchel said:
Actually, this is good news. CBP is one of the top 5 COACHS in the country. This is an ugly mark on his resume, and he'll be more likely to stay around for another 10 years to clean it up.

Those who say CBP should be gone are CRAZY! He could COACH a bunch of walk ons to compete for the SEC title. That's the important thing - he's a great coach. Unfortunally, recruiting is shisty, and he tried to play the game. We can't blame him for wanting to take it to the next level.

Give him time to clean it up.
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False.
 
#246
#246
zjcvols said:
You are exactly right. If Pearl hadn't lied, this wouldn't be an issue. Anybody blaming Kiffin is trying to protect Bruce's ass.
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Fans trying to cover for Pearl is better than everyone else covering for Kiffin while he drove through yards drunk and took co-eds back to his bachelor pad.

Also, you keep bringing up Pearl turning Illinois in 20 years ago. Maybe it's the pot calling the kettle black but there is a big difference between making extra phone calls and giving a kid a vehicle/cash that totaled nearly 100,000 dollars.
 
#247
#247
I don't think Pearl should be fired for this. He is not the only coach in basketball that has done this. He did lie to the NCAA which makes us look bad, but he is being punished for it and very harshly at that. That is strike one for Pearl. If he committs any other major problem, then we should look at replacing him.

Mike Hamilton does deserve to be fired. Not for this incident alone, but for multiple incidents that have embarrased our university. All of the off the field(and court) incidents by football and basketball players, the Kiffin experiment, the Raleigh experiment and backing out of the UNC game. There are other problems too, but enough is enough. We need a change at the top.
 
#249
#249
zjcvols said:
That's bull**** and you know it. You going to take what Pearl and Hamilton said after he blatantly lied to the NCAA? Yes, we should believe everything what the holy Bruce says.
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To hear some of you guys talk, you can never believe anybody? Is it going to be difficult to trust him? Sure. But to say you can't believe anything anyone says because they lied once means it would be hard to believe anybody who said anything.
 
#250
#250
BigPapaVol said:
and I think that's fair. Not being an alum, I don't quite take the same tack, but that makes complete sense to me.
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Sometimes the role of UT-Knoxville alumnus puts you in conflict with the role as Tennessee sports fan, and this is decidedly one of those times. I really could not give a crap what the effects would be on the field and court; I want this shat cleaned up.

Unfortunately there's nobody in the entire UT system with the authority and stature to do a damn thing about it.
 
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